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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's Jean Stein so Christopher O'Brien

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you have been the busy bee this past

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weekend you attended a UFO convention

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sponsored by the mutual UFO network

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behind the International Symposium okay

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this is the big one

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this is the big annual conference and in

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addition to that there was a story at LA

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Times comm I don't know if it made it to

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the printed version of the newspaper

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sometimes they don't but they went on

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talking about the convention and they

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described the attendants as dozens of

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like-minded individuals how many people

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were there

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well that's slanted it was the largest I

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think international symposium in terms

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of attendees in several years they

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almost doubled last year's attendance

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figures there was I think 530 was the

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last number I heard so it was actually

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very well attended you go into the main

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lecture hall and you know it was it was

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pretty filled up especially you know

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with your Dolan's talk and in Linda Howe

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and and others okay so we look here at

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this description in the newspaper or the

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online version of the newspaper and you

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wonder exactly what they're getting into

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so for example now they finally admit

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later on the article that there were a

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few hundred attendees it said many of

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the few hundred attendees were baby

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boomers children of the space race who

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grew up casting an eye to the heavens

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and never stopped questioning what could

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be out there others came with a more

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spiritual outlook they view

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extraterrestrials as omnipotent

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protectors who often beckoned them in

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the night okay the final third of this

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article is all about the wackadoodles

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this is what always happens this is why

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we always make that criticism okay if

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you're going to have a convention you do

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want to obviously bring in an audience

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otherwise you lose money you have to

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lease breakeven hopefully

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a few extra dollars to pay the staff and

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everything so sometimes you bring in

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speakers who are a little bit crazy

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because they dragged in an audience now

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I know your favorites was there being a

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couple of your favorites

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Jim sparks was there and heard some

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interesting comments about his

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presentation and of course the our dear

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sweet dragon queen of ufology herself

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Linda Howe she did a very interesting

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presentation actually I I didn't

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actually get a chance to go in and

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really listen to any other presenters

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but I had a meeting of the San Luis

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Valley camera team our face-to-face

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meeting with all the members together

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and Wayne Hollenback actually got the

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DVD of Linda's talk so I was able to

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look at a portion of a couple of days

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later and it was pretty interesting you

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know even though it was about those

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crazy California drones she didn't have

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some pretty interesting correlations

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that she would magically produce out of

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her hat to kind of be her final sort of

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I don't know the well at the very end of

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her talk she her PhD resistance was this

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correlation between the writing on the

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drone of these crazy California flying

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objects from several years ago that

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she's convinced are real and it

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correlated with a interesting crop

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circle formation I haven't really looked

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at how exactly correlations were but

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flattering that look like Star Wars

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lettering exactly a ways that Star Wars

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lettering really has some connection to

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the real world evidently there was a

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crop circle that that mimicked one of

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the symbols on the on one of the drones

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I I think it was a bit of a stretch but

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boy it was impressive to the crowd and I

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would imagine I'm sure there was quite a

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few Sandoz with that one and nobody

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mentioned the fact that these drones

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were so easily duplicated in Photoshop

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exactly so she's still selling this deal

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oh yeah oh yeah Linda's oh boy she

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droned on and on okay so Jim sparks did

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he addressed the question again of why

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he didn't have to use the bathroom when

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he was spending an entire day aboard a

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spaceship I again I did not see his

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presentation out of all the

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presentations that would have been the

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one I was probably least likely to see

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but I'll tell you the guy sure did a lot

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of pacing and muttering to himself

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outside the convention hall when he

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wasn't speaking I saw him and

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several occasions outside seem great

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deep in thought and almost perturbed

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almost about something I'm not sure what

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I kind of gave him a little a wink and a

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nod and not sure if I got one back but I

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had talked with Jan Harz and several

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months ago when they announced that Jim

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sparks was going to speak and I said you

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know Jan I thought you guys were a

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scientific you know investigation

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organization why you have somebody like

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Jim sparks up there and he says well

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this year it's all about et contact and

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you know and I guess they're trying

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trying to be all things to all people so

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basically they're giving up the pretense

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of presenting scientific information and

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they're adding the wolves well from your

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mouth to God's ears there gene I didn't

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really say that but now that you

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mentioned it yeah oh well well they got

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a larger crowd but the kind of coverage

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that the LA Times gave them they didn't

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sure kind of shows that that's a

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double-edged sword so the question is do

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you want to bring in a few more people

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and hopefully cover your expenses at the

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expense of losing your credibility and

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move on for so many years has been

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considered a pretty credible

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organization yes we have the recent

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controversy with Clifford Clifton of

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course James carry on the former

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director all that stuff that's gone on

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and you think they want to live it down

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they want to show hey this is a serious

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organization we're doing serious

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business we're gonna stay away from the

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wackadoodles yes if people want to

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express individual opinions that we

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don't agree with that's fine if they

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want to present unconfirmed information

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that's fine but don't get up on the

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podium and address it yeah well I saw I

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wasn't privy to the conversation but of

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course Elaine Douglas is spearheading an

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effort to get a more democratic move on

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established with membership having you

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know a say in some of the

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decision-making especially in you know

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who the board members are for move on

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and they had a very intense conversation

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I could tell at one point and I later I

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mentioned a cliff that I thought that

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you know maybe having a minority of the

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the board members a minority number of

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them being elected by the rank and file

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to create more transparency and more of

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a demo

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kradic feel for the organization and and

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he well we need businessmen there we you

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know if we you know allowed membership

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to vote the organization would flounder

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and die within a year I think was kind

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of how he put it

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and what yeah so I said well I don't

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know how many board members er but maybe

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take you know if it's nine take four

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members or voted on by by the membership

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and then maybe the five are appointed by

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the board members it just in terms of an

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organization you know having directors

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and then in self appointing these

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directors I don't know it's just there's

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something wrong with that model and I

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think it was actual a ship where you

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always reappoint your own yeah

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and I think I think it would be really

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healthy and it would help the vibrancy

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of the organization if they actually

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allowed the membership to have a little

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bit more say and he's saying well they

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may not choose business people well how

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do you determine the qualifications of

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the proper member of the Board of

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Directors shouldn't you have somebody

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who is maybe a scientist in there

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somebody who is a psychologist or

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psychiatrist people who actually can do

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real investigations not just somebody

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running a business yeah exactly

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I'm I've never been a member of MUFON I

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resisted the temptation early on when I

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got involved and my investigative work

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of course you know I of the groucho

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school I wouldn't be a member of any

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group that would have me as one so

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that's part of the reason but the other

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part of the reason is that it just seems

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so political and there seems to be

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underlying agendas that don't really you

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know have anything to do with the actual

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you know statement of move on you know

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in terms of scientifically investing

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you're investigating UFOs there seems to

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be a disconnect between the original

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vision of the organization and what it's

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devolved into at this point and of

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course we have talked and passed in the

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past on on others shows about the

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relationship between MUFON and Robert

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Bigelow and whether that relationship

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still continues how the relationship

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evolved or devolved since it began with

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the whole star team effort so there

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there are a lot of problems and issues

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that need to be addressed in the

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organization but the bottom line is you

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because they're going a little new age

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they attract more people and this this

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doesn't bode well for the organization I

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think it you know the further towards

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the woowoo side of the equation that

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they go they're gonna see more people

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getting interested because people don't

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like to do their own research they don't

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like to think for themselves they like

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the media and organizations to to do all

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the heavy lifting and then they just say

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yeah I agree with that I said what we

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have to agree with this we're gonna

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leave the subject of MUFON and we're

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gonna go to the subject no more we will

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to the subject of UFOs and nukes our

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guest today is Robert Hastings author of

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UFOs and nukes been a couple of years

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since you've been on the show lots of

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new questions a little bit of

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controversy lots more I'm Jean Steinberg

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the co-host is Chris O'Brien you're in

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it robert hastings she's author of a

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book called UFOs and nukes and what it's

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about is implicit in the title and for

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those robert who aren't familiar with

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your earlier appearance on the power

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cast i don't want to repeat or reinvent

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the wheel or start from scratch but

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maybe briefly you can talk about what

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led you to covering this topic and where

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you found the evidence

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my father was career airforce and in

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1966-67

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he was stationed at nam stern Air Force

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Base Montana where at that time there

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were a number of UFO related incidents

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at the nuclear missile sites I

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ultimately began making inquiries of

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persons that he knew and other military

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people who were there at the time and

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found out that was indeed real by 1973

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researcher Ray Fowler had mentioned in

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his book UFOs interplanetary visitors

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that he as a Minuteman missile

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contractor for Sylvania corporation had

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learned about UFO activity at Malmstrom

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so I had all sorts of independent

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sources that this was indeed real

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so I began systematically seeking out

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and interviewing former and retired Air

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Force personnel that was thirty-eight

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years ago I've interviewed nearly a

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hundred and thirty at this point retired

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veterans who former veterans who were

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involved in these kinds of incidents at

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various missile bases and other

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Strategic Air Command facilities

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you mentioned UFOs and nukes is it only

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over nuclear power plants that UFOs are

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seeing what about traditional power

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plants well my research into cases

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involving commercial plants is minimal I

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have a six page appendix at the end but

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you know the lion's share my work

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relates to the weapons facilities not

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the commercial production plants power

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plants okay so the other question I

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guess would arise and we can start into

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the case histories over this and that is

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are UFOs just seen flying over the

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nuclear power plants or do they do

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things that impact the operation of

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those plants and we're starting to worry

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about that more and more because of what

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happened with the tsunami in Japan where

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a couple of stations were knocked out

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and caused all sorts of problems I

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really can't give you informed answers

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about the scope of the incidents at

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nuclear power plants commercial power

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plant plants so rather than me saying

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that in wasting time on air I think we

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need to focus on the nuclear weapons

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sites which I am you know an authority

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on so rather than spending time with my

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saying I don't really know much about

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that I think we need to retrench here

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and go back to fair enough fair enough

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so let's move on to the weapons sites

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okay now the question I would ask before

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we get on with some of the cases is do

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we see since we're supposedly giving up

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on nuclear weapons around the world do

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we see fewer cases how recent are they

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it's impossible to quantify the

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situation because the government is not

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talking about this voluntarily so I have

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to rely on my research efforts my

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investigative efforts to ferret out

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sources who were involved in these

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incidents so it's a catch-as-catch-can

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process there's no way you can

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systematically say or accurately say X

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number of cases occurred in a given year

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and therefore you know

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delineate trends or predict future

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events so it's a very it's a large

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jigsaw puzzle lots of pieces are missing

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all I can say is that the incidents at

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every war an Air Force Base in October

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of 2010 which have a very strong UFO

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connection suggests to me that as long

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as nuclear weapons exist the UFO

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phenomenon will be associated with it

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even though weapons stockpiles in Russia

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and the US are far lower than they were

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during the Cold War era I say in my book

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as long as he's weapons exist there are

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going to be UFO incidents at these sites

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and I think the recent events that if

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you are in last October verify that

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beyond doubt what were those recent

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events when we start with those in terms

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of case histories well on October 26 the

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Atlantic magazine published a story by a

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contributing editor named Mark M binder

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in which he revealed that he had leaked

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to him information that three days

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earlier on October 23rd if he wore an

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Air Force Base lost communications with

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50 of its nuclear missiles I can give

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you a detailed explanation why but long

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story short those missiles were

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unlaunchable for that period the Air

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Force officially admitted once the story

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was leaked that this did take place that

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it was related to a computer glitch that

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it lasted 59 that's when I began

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researching this I quickly learned from

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ex-military personnel who had active

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active duty contacts at the base that in

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fact this was a 26 hour episode

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intermittently but basically these

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missiles were offline for 26 hours and

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so the Air Force was trying to minimize

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the situation beyond that and more to

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the point to Air Force technicians panic

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unequivocally stated that over a two-day

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period the weekend of October 23rd 24th

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multiple sightings of a huge cigar

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shaped object were made by various Air

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Force technical teams at various

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locations in this very huge 9600 square

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mile missile field where the missiles

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are located and over this two-day period

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number of teams came back and we're

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reporting seen the cigar shaped object

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maneuvering around the sky how high out

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the descriptions provided to me via a

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retired source military source yeah this

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was quite clearly not a commercial flip

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it was cigar shaped similar to a World

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War one Zeppelin it had no passenger

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condo it had no vert icing on its side

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written outside like the Goodyear Club

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quite clearly not a commercial plant in

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the context of the other reports I've

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received over the last six months from

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law enforcement in Nebraska where some

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of the missiles were located and a

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number of civilian witnesses I know that

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there have been an NGO UFO sighting

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reports at the missile sites primarily

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the ones I know about her in western

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Nebraska but there's a sprinkling in

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Wyoming and Colorado which is part of

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the missile field civilians law

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enforcement of cigar-shaped objects

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triangular shaped objects a disc-shaped

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object ball shaped object spheres all in

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close proximity to one launch facility

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or another so in the context of all of

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that I think the clear implication or

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inference is that this large cigar

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shaped object had something to do with

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this 50 missile disruption proving that

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at this point would be difficult but I

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think the the implication is there one

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fast question here in the event

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something like this happens do they

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scramble aircraft to go up there and see

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what's going on there are reports of

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scrambles if he warned does not have its

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own military aircraft complement we

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think that the aircraft that were

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described in some of these cases chasing

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these objects away probably came from

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Colorado there's a base near Denver I'm

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throwing a blank on its name at the

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moment but I am aware of reports of for

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example on November 28th at about 11:30

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p.m. local a witness has described a

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boomerang shaped object being chased by

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a military jet fighter the fighter was

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in afterburner

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it was night he couldn't tell whether it

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was an f-16 or f-15 in any case it quite

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clearly was

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following this this object this

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individuals house is literally

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surrounded by nuclear missile sites and

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he is located in in the southwest corner

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of Nebraska not too far from FD Warren

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Chris O'Brien who is champing at the bit

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to ask lots of questions Chris yeah but

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one thing that I was actually quite

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amazed by and this was all news to me

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I'm fairly well well-versed in some of

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these cases that you've covered in some

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of the cases that have been more

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publicly exposed but one of the things

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that I really found fascinating is the

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history of UFO sightings as it relates

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to early above-ground nuclear explosions

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that you know for nuclear testing and I

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had no idea that there were so many

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events that occurred in the early

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fifties even the late 40s if if I

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remember correctly could we talk about

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those a little bit before we go on to

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the more

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cases in the mid 70s in 1977 I believe

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or 78 dr. Bruce Maccabee well-known UFO

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researcher he's the retired navy

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physicist he successfully used the FOI a

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to Freedom of Information Act to access

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documents from the FBI I think he got

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something like 1,300 pages all together

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from the late forties or fifties some of

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which dealt with UFO activity at Los

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Alamos birthplace of nuclear weapons at

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Sandia Labs and basically where I was

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born Sandia base which assembled and

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engineered nuclear weapons there are

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also references to sightings at the

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plutonium and uranium production

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facilities of Oak Ridge Hanford later

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Savannah River saw this thread of UFO

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activity at nuclear weapons sites in

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general is very well established and

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documented at least as early as December

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of 1948 now what I have done over the

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years is our persons who were either in

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the Navy or at least in the military

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bring the atomic testing hydrogen bomb

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testing in the South Pacific I've

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located persons who are interviewed

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everyone's interviewed on tape basically

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when I talk to them former sailors

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disrupting sightings of UFO activity

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just prior to the first hydrogen bomb

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blast in 19 November of 1952 and so on

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and so forth there's actually another

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researcher named Dan Wilson who's

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referenced in my book at length he found

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a Declassified document that now is no

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longer available mysteriously enough

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after I publicized it but it basically

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said that I think on April 7th 1954 a

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UFO buzzed at low altitude the command

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and control ship of the operation castle

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test which included Castle Bravo the

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largest hydrogen bomb that nation by the

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US ever to take place so there's this

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clear link of UFO activity I've talked

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to former Air Force personnel who were

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designated to fly through the hydrogen

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clouds

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with radiation sampling equipment some

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of them have reported a scene and or

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tracking objects on radar in the same

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vicinity that quite clearly were not

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conventional aircraft both by their

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maneuvers and they're they're extremely

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high altitudes so there's that and then

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also smaller glass there were a series

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of nearly a hundred detonations in

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Nevada what was lastly known as current

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and as there's a lot of test site there

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are a number of persons referencing my

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both military persons who described

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seeing UFOs during those various tests

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there are references to published

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accounts of those sightings in some

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instances in the Las Vegas on newspaper

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I actually interviewed a man named

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Walter Brahma blanker I got about three

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hours sleep last night in any case what

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will be Walt Levine was a former Air

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Force policeman at the Nevada Test Site

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in 1955 her test called drama blank

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again anyway he said that for several

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month period his job was to basically

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monitor the skies for anomalous objects

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to report the sightings of the objects

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their altitude their heading there just

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a description of the object and then

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once he made this report he was to burn

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the piece of paper that that he reported

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all this data on the teapot tests is

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what I was trying to think of a few

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minutes ago a few seconds ago so in

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short there are multiple sources from

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military Air Force the Navy in some

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cases the army confirming that almost

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from the get-go the birth of the nuclear

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age UFO activity has been repeatedly

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observed around weapons laboratories

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test sites weapons storage areas and

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most importantly I think the weapons

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deployment sites the missile sites

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bomber bases so it's across the board

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it's been in every at every Air Force

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Base in the United States decade after

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decade after decade well do we have any

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sense of how the you know twining and

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other top military brass at the time you

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know what their thinking was in relation

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to these these reports because unlike

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the more popular and more well-known

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reports of the 70s these must have been

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quite a concern to the brass and we have

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a sense of their thinking at the time

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you mentioned general twining in

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particular I'm unaware of any piece of

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paper that's been Declassified which

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would suggest that he was aware of this

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he probably was but documenting that

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with a paper trail I'm unaware of any

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evidence we have on the other hand a

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memorandum from December I believe of

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1952 written by a man named dr. Marshall

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Chadwell who was the head of the CIA's

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office of scientific investigation he

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was reporting to these and director CIA

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Walter Smith general Walter B Smith that

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there had been in the previous month a

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number of incidents of UFOs at high

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altitude maneuvering above unspecified

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defense sites we now know from other

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sources of information that the those

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incidents quite clearly clearly

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correspond to UFO activity at the

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Hanford Site in Washington State at Hoch

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Ridge and Savannah River in South

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Carolina so the director of CIA was

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informed of these incidents in December

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of 52 if not earlier I find it

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00:34:16,059 --> 00:34:13,609
interesting that among all the UFO

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documents that the CIA currently has on

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its website that documents missing and

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it's been in the public domain since the

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seventies and yet the CIA doesn't seem

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to want to acknowledge its existence

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online sure but can you be surprised

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over there it was an opportunity for me

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to be sly so okay first the CIA is not

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going to admit anything the government

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is not and officially speaking any of

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these cases that have been disclosed

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publicly they will all have some kind of

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conventional explanation as far as the

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government is concerned right of course

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it's actually an on topic what I have

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found in my interviews with as I said

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nearly 130 people who were at various

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bases and so on the whole especially in

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the early days was really hand up

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what the right hand was doing Isis these

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incidents were so unprecedented and the

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shock value was so high that people were

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making up procedures on the spot it

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seemed

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I'm officially UFO sighting activity was

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to be reported to Project Blue Book that

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did not happen a lot of times in these

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nuclear weapons related cases what I

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found instead is that OSI agents office

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special investigations agents were

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called in or flown in even to interview

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the witnesses the missile launch

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officers and so on in some cases persons

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were required to sign

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security national security non

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disclosure statements secrecy oath in

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effect in other cases they were just

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giving verbal admonishments not to talk

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about various things and again there's

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this really strange combination of

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responses that the Air Force responded

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with you know I reacted with in response

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to these accounts of UFO activity and

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nuclear weapons sites but some of the

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people I've talked to the you know

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they've said repeatedly this was a

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non-event you know we were when we got

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back to the base we were told nothing to

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discuss go home

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I assume that other members had

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previously reported commanders what went

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on and so the witnesses that I talked to

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you know really they all they could do

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is second you know add verification to

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let the earlier sources that their

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[Music]

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this is Jacques Vallee you're listening

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to the podcast the gold standard we're

966
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back with Robert Hastings the book is

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UFOs and nukes I'm Jean Steinberg the

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co-host is Chris O'Brien

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I'm the para cast in connection with

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guests when we have enough advance

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warning we put up a thread in a forum

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called the question Bank at Forum dr.

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Peric ascom look for that place because

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and we have a few there are going to be

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strewn throughout the show as we go on

977
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as they seem relevant Chris you found a

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question that kind of relates to where

979
00:42:07,140 --> 00:42:05,410
we've gone so far yeah we've got more

980
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than a few questions Robert actually

981
00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:09,070
your appearance here is generated

982
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:10,390
probably the most amount of questions

983
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:11,910
that we've had in quite some time

984
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much to your credit there's a lot of

985
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interest out there as you well know in

986
00:42:20,490 --> 00:42:18,220
this subject and I have a question that

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kind of relates to this early period

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that you've just been referring to and

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it comes from one of our longtime

990
00:42:29,010 --> 00:42:26,980
posters Blowfish and he asked mr.

991
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:29,020
Hastings have you got any eyewitness

992
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:31,450
accounts of UFO interference of ordnance

993
00:42:38,490 --> 00:42:34,240
bases prior or during World War two good

994
00:42:43,350 --> 00:42:38,500
question okay I'm sorry there was a

995
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little when you mate when you okay I'll

996
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:43,960
ask it again

997
00:42:49,260 --> 00:42:46,720
mr. Hastings have you got any eyewitness

998
00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:49,270
accounts of UFO interference over

999
00:42:57,810 --> 00:42:52,540
ordnance basis prior or during World War

1000
00:43:00,590 --> 00:42:57,820
two off the top of my head I would have

1001
00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:00,600
to say no of course there are the well

1002
00:43:06,570 --> 00:43:03,670
recorded and reported sightings of these

1003
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:06,580
so-called Foo Fighters essentially UFOs

1004
00:43:14,010 --> 00:43:11,530
by both allied and axis pilots in during

1005
00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:14,020
World War two by bomber crews fighter

1006
00:43:19,050 --> 00:43:16,060
pilots and so on of luminous balls of

1007
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:19,060
light the occasional disc-shaped object

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00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:21,970
in daylight but as far as these things

1009
00:43:25,170 --> 00:43:23,890
coming down and hovering over standard

1010
00:43:27,450 --> 00:43:25,180
ordnance light

1011
00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:27,460
I personally can't think of anything at

1012
00:43:34,589 --> 00:43:31,030
the moment now I have since my book came

1013
00:43:36,660 --> 00:43:34,599
out in 2008 I'm currently taking

1014
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:36,670
additional sources of information of

1015
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:39,730
course I've interviewed a man named but

1016
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Klem who is a former US Navy pilot in

1017
00:43:46,799 --> 00:43:45,069
World War two I have all of this

1018
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:46,809
military paperwork

1019
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:49,210
he is squadron was stationed near the

1020
00:43:55,230 --> 00:43:51,280
Hanford Site in Washington State

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in January and February of 1945 several

1022
00:43:59,970 --> 00:43:57,130
months before the atomic bombings in

1023
00:44:02,069 --> 00:43:59,980
Japan and mr. clam reports three

1024
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:02,079
separate separate incidents that he was

1025
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:04,569
aware of where a bright object covered

1026
00:44:10,049 --> 00:44:07,569
directly over the Hanford Site and was

1027
00:44:12,540 --> 00:44:10,059
chased away by a member of his squadron

1028
00:44:13,950 --> 00:44:12,550
on three separate occasions and the

1029
00:44:17,849 --> 00:44:13,960
object just raced away at enormous

1030
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velocity so you have even prior to the

1031
00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:20,170
end of World War two you have a nuclear

1032
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,260
weapons-related incident in that case

1033
00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:24,640
okay now one of the things of course

1034
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anytime you find someone who makes a

1035
00:44:32,930 --> 00:44:30,309
very strong presentation about UFO

1036
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:32,940
evidence there's always gonna be another

1037
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:36,450
shoe that drops there have been some

1038
00:44:41,370 --> 00:44:39,849
controversies over UFOs and nukes some

1039
00:44:43,980 --> 00:44:41,380
people at least one particular person

1040
00:44:46,020 --> 00:44:43,990
has gone in there and has attacked you

1041
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:46,030
for what you're saying what's that all

1042
00:44:51,809 --> 00:44:46,569
about

1043
00:44:53,849 --> 00:44:51,819
James D Carlson has some problems and I

1044
00:44:58,530 --> 00:44:53,859
am simply repeating what his father told

1045
00:45:00,720 --> 00:44:58,540
me on the phone in 2008 mr. Carlson's

1046
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:00,730
senior has made similar statements to

1047
00:45:05,490 --> 00:45:03,040
two other individuals and as I've told

1048
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:05,500
James Carlson I prepared to have these

1049
00:45:10,770 --> 00:45:08,049
tests this testimony presented under

1050
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:10,780
oath in a court of law if he wants to

1051
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:12,970
pursue this but let's just say that mr.

1052
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:15,760
Carlson's grasp on reality as regards

1053
00:45:22,049 --> 00:45:18,640
this subject matter of UFOs and nukes is

1054
00:45:23,819 --> 00:45:22,059
not exactly solid his father was a

1055
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:23,829
launch officer at Malmstrom Air Force

1056
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:28,690
Base in 1967 he was a place called echo

1057
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:31,599
Flight his deputy commander was a man

1058
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:34,089
named Walt faecal who our retired

1059
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:38,770
colonel when Bob Salas who was a missile

1060
00:45:42,109 --> 00:45:39,119
launch

1061
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:42,119
officer at another site at Malmstrom in

1062
00:45:48,620 --> 00:45:45,210
March of 67 Oskar flight when mr. Salas

1063
00:45:50,839 --> 00:45:48,630
went public with an incident involving a

1064
00:45:55,870 --> 00:45:50,849
UFO apparently shutting down most or all

1065
00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:55,880
of his missiles at Oscar mr. Carlson Jr

1066
00:46:02,269 --> 00:46:00,180
James Carlson viciously attacked Bob

1067
00:46:05,569 --> 00:46:02,279
Salas and said that he was a liar and a

1068
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:05,579
fraud because why because James father

1069
00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:08,400
Eric Carlson said there were no UFOs at

1070
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:12,950
Malmstrom in 1967 so James has

1071
00:46:19,999 --> 00:46:17,910
frenetically just posted information on

1072
00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:20,009
probably a thousand websites it seems

1073
00:46:23,930 --> 00:46:20,700
that way

1074
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:23,940
saying that Bob Salas and now myself are

1075
00:46:28,579 --> 00:46:26,249
liars and frauds because we contend that

1076
00:46:30,979 --> 00:46:28,589
the UFO is involved with two separate

1077
00:46:33,739 --> 00:46:30,989
mass missile shutdowns at Malmstrom and

1078
00:46:36,859 --> 00:46:33,749
Marshall 60 system unfortunately for

1079
00:46:40,549 --> 00:46:36,869
James Carlson we have interviews on tape

1080
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:40,559
both Bob Salas and I with the third

1081
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:43,890
launch of Eric Carlson's deputy

1082
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:46,650
commander Walter Fiegel has discussed at

1083
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:49,890
length with me on tape which is now

1084
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:53,910
online you can hear him discussing what

1085
00:46:59,059 --> 00:46:56,130
really happened at echo he received

1086
00:47:00,709 --> 00:46:59,069
reports of a quote large round object

1087
00:47:03,279 --> 00:47:00,719
hovering over one of the missiles at

1088
00:47:06,410 --> 00:47:03,289
Echo just as the entire flight failed

1089
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:06,420
I've recently as of this past May 6

1090
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:09,089
interviewed Colonel Maiwald who was Bob

1091
00:47:15,019 --> 00:47:11,160
phalluses commander at the other flight

1092
00:47:18,709 --> 00:47:15,029
involved oscar flight in which one can

1093
00:47:21,489 --> 00:47:18,719
hear online colonel my wall now retired

1094
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:21,499
colonel Maiwald saying that bob Silas's

1095
00:47:27,620 --> 00:47:25,049
story about the UFO activity at oscar

1096
00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:27,630
during the shutdown there is quote very

1097
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:30,900
accurate now I am in the process of

1098
00:47:35,779 --> 00:47:32,910
rebuilding my website it's virtually

1099
00:47:39,049 --> 00:47:35,789
done one can go to the UFO Hastings comm

1100
00:47:42,289 --> 00:47:39,059
and see detailed articles about these

1101
00:47:44,180 --> 00:47:42,299
two incidents including links to audio

1102
00:47:47,059 --> 00:47:44,190
tapes the link should be up within the

1103
00:47:49,579 --> 00:47:47,069
next day or two if one one immediately

1104
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:49,589
listen links I'm not sure when this is

1105
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:52,559
going to be aired initially then one

1106
00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:53,640
could go to the US

1107
00:48:00,980 --> 00:47:56,700
chronicles search for Colonel Walt

1108
00:48:05,029 --> 00:48:00,990
Fievel fi GTL or Colonel Fred Maiwald

1109
00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:05,039
mei Wal d and you will find links to my

1110
00:48:07,700 --> 00:48:06,900
audio tape conversations with these

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00:48:11,779 --> 00:48:07,710
individuals

1112
00:48:14,569 --> 00:48:11,789
so in short to summarize two separate

1113
00:48:17,329 --> 00:48:14,579
incidents in March of 67 at Malmstrom at

1114
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:17,339
Echo flight and Oscar flight involved

1115
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:20,700
UFO activity at during large scale at

1116
00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:23,609
missile shutdowns three of the four

1117
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:25,980
officers involved in those two incidents

1118
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:28,319
have now gone on the record with very

1119
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:32,490
reads of enthusiasm we Fiegel in my wall

1120
00:48:37,460 --> 00:48:34,380
they're not thrilled about the spotlight

1121
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:37,470
being on them but they have confirmed

1122
00:48:45,250 --> 00:48:41,220
what Bob Salafist said and what I say

1123
00:48:49,009 --> 00:48:45,260
that indeed in these shots happens and

1124
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:49,019
so James Carlson kicked on slandering

1125
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:51,210
and labelling me and Bob silos till the

1126
00:48:57,529 --> 00:48:53,490
cows come home but it doesn't change the

1127
00:49:00,349 --> 00:48:57,539
facts so what's his motive I think well

1128
00:49:02,420 --> 00:49:00,359
you know I'm not a psychiatrist I will

1129
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:02,430
simply repeat what I said earlier his

1130
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:04,410
father has made statements to me and to

1131
00:49:10,099 --> 00:49:07,440
other individuals about his quote

1132
00:49:12,380 --> 00:49:10,109
problems and so I think that's one of

1133
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:12,390
the factors you know specified what

1134
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:15,599
those friends are I'm gonna you know

1135
00:49:20,839 --> 00:49:18,240
I've been quite candid let's just say

1136
00:49:23,930 --> 00:49:20,849
they're of a psychological nature and I

1137
00:49:27,650 --> 00:49:23,940
think if anyone reads what James Carlson

1138
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:27,660
has posted online it's not terribly hard

1139
00:49:32,299 --> 00:49:29,609
to figure out that something's not quite

1140
00:49:34,819 --> 00:49:32,309
right and in terms of his approach to

1141
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:34,829
addressing the subject I'm gonna leave

1142
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:35,339
it at that

1143
00:49:39,289 --> 00:49:37,170
any further discussion of this can I

1144
00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:39,299
have to be an illegal that you and I

1145
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:41,369
have no I've gone down the gauntlet I've

1146
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:42,720
thrown down the gauntlet to James

1147
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:45,569
Carlson you know your father has said

1148
00:49:49,579 --> 00:49:47,460
things to me and to other individuals we

1149
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:49,589
will all testify under oath in a court

1150
00:49:55,069 --> 00:49:52,410
of law about those conversations the

1151
00:49:57,740 --> 00:49:55,079
point that should not be missed the key

1152
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:57,750
point is that the officers themselves

1153
00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:01,440
including Bob Salas of course but the

1154
00:50:06,529 --> 00:50:04,680
two that according to James Carlson say

1155
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:06,539
there were no UFOs involved in these

1156
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:07,530
incidents

1157
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:09,900
specifically kernels Fiegel on my wold

1158
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:12,480
have said just the opposite on tape

1159
00:50:17,660 --> 00:50:14,850
repeatedly to me and Bob Salas

1160
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:17,670
so James Carlson can continue to live in

1161
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:20,280
this fantasy world I'm not terribly

1162
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:21,960
thrilled by being called a liar and a

1163
00:50:26,570 --> 00:50:24,810
fraud all over the internet but you know

1164
00:50:28,610 --> 00:50:26,580
the facts speak for themselves anyone

1165
00:50:30,260 --> 00:50:28,620
can listen to these audio tapes well the

1166
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:30,270
fact is of course that we here at the

1167
00:50:36,290 --> 00:50:33,090
power cast we get criticized for all

1168
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,300
sorts of different reasons existed and

1169
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:37,920
otherwise I mean we're not above

1170
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:40,290
criticisms we do lots of things that are

1171
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:42,810
messed up as anyone does but we have

1172
00:50:47,090 --> 00:50:44,490
people online who seem to have nothing

1173
00:50:49,820 --> 00:50:47,100
better to do than form what we might

1174
00:50:51,830 --> 00:50:49,830
call the power cast hate brigade we

1175
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:51,840
mentioned them but we don't name them on

1176
00:50:55,340 --> 00:50:53,250
the show and I think that's why they

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00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:55,350
hate us even more they hate us even more

1178
00:51:01,010 --> 00:50:58,440
because we refuse to acknowledge their

1179
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:01,020
existence except in a very general

1180
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:02,730
fashion I mean if you go to the forums

1181
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,010
you're gonna see some of the names of

1182
00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:07,200
the worst offenders but we're not gonna

1183
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:09,000
glorify them here if they don't like the

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00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:10,800
show don't listen I mean what's so

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00:51:15,260 --> 00:51:12,450
important is this gonna take over your

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life as a talk show we like doing it our

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00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:18,180
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00:51:21,260 --> 00:51:18,960
find you don't

1189
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off the radio and listen to music I

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00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:24,930
don't know and if you have a comment or

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a question about the power cast write us

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placing a free summer dollar in a book

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that explains our monetary system call

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for your copy 806 86 to 237 it's time to

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we're in the second hour at the para

1232
00:53:15,130 --> 00:53:13,010
casts Robert Hastings author of UFOs and

1233
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:15,140
nukes is our guest I'm Jean Steinberg

1234
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:18,170
the co-host is Chris O'Brien Robert

1235
00:53:22,540 --> 00:53:20,210
before we go on with case histories and

1236
00:53:25,210 --> 00:53:22,550
other subjects what is your background

1237
00:53:29,020 --> 00:53:25,220
do you have a day job I trained in

1238
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:29,030
photography I got a degree in

1239
00:53:35,140 --> 00:53:32,480
photography from Ohio University in 1972

1240
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:35,150
I worked in the field I was employed by

1241
00:53:41,410 --> 00:53:37,610
Northern Illinois University as a photo

1242
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:41,420
technician for eight years but I had by

1243
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:44,480
1981 developed enough ex-military

1244
00:53:48,990 --> 00:53:46,730
sources who were discussing all of this

1245
00:53:51,310 --> 00:53:49,000
stuff and I felt so strong

1246
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:51,320
philosophically that people needed to

1247
00:53:55,780 --> 00:53:53,810
know about it that I basically put that

1248
00:53:58,690 --> 00:53:55,790
job run out on the college lecture

1249
00:54:01,570 --> 00:53:58,700
circuit on a wing and a prayer and spent

1250
00:54:03,820 --> 00:54:01,580
really a good part of the 1980s speaking

1251
00:54:08,050 --> 00:54:03,830
about this and researching this I did

1252
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:08,060
retrain in 1986 to 88 in the field of

1253
00:54:13,180 --> 00:54:10,000
the electron microscopy electron

1254
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:13,190
microscope technology at San Joaquin

1255
00:54:18,850 --> 00:54:15,970
Delta College in Stockton California and

1256
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:18,860
basically became for the next 14 years

1257
00:54:23,860 --> 00:54:21,770
almost 15 years a laboratory analyst for

1258
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:23,870
Phillips semiconductors in Albuquerque

1259
00:54:27,580 --> 00:54:25,490
New Mexico those have been my

1260
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:27,590
bread-and-butter job the plant closed

1261
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:30,800
and my lab is now in Shanghai I closed

1262
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:34,640
in 2002 I think any case I basically

1263
00:54:39,250 --> 00:54:36,650
been on the lecture circuit since I'm

1264
00:54:42,310 --> 00:54:39,260
nearing retirement age my activities are

1265
00:54:45,610 --> 00:54:42,320
being curtailed to some degree for one

1266
00:54:48,430 --> 00:54:45,620
reason or another but I just decided to

1267
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:48,440
devote what time I have left as long as

1268
00:54:52,570 --> 00:54:50,930
I have all of my marbles to pursue that

1269
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:52,580
subject and publish as much of it as

1270
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:54,770
possible so that's it in a nutshell

1271
00:55:00,190 --> 00:54:58,010
you know I'm driven to do this I just

1272
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:00,200
feel it's terribly terribly important

1273
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:04,250
that people know it exists that despite

1274
00:55:10,540 --> 00:55:08,090
60 years of lies and obfuscation by the

1275
00:55:13,390 --> 00:55:10,550
US government about the UFO phenomenon

1276
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:13,400
one can argue whether they're acting in

1277
00:55:17,290 --> 00:55:15,530
the in the American people's best

1278
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:17,300
interests or not but the fact that it's

1279
00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:18,050
gone on is

1280
00:55:23,170 --> 00:55:20,390
well documented there is a UFO cover-up

1281
00:55:25,660 --> 00:55:23,180
and I am finding and certainly I'm an

1282
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:25,670
authority after nearly 40 years in fact

1283
00:55:30,490 --> 00:55:27,050
that one of the things that's being

1284
00:55:32,970 --> 00:55:30,500
covered up is ongoing UFO incursions at

1285
00:55:36,070 --> 00:55:32,980
nuclear weapons sites all around you and

1286
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:36,080
most importantly in some instances it

1287
00:55:39,790 --> 00:55:37,690
appears according to the witnesses

1288
00:55:42,010 --> 00:55:39,800
weapons have been compromised

1289
00:55:44,530 --> 00:55:42,020
they've been tampered with by whoever

1290
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:44,540
are aboard these craft and I think

1291
00:55:47,710 --> 00:55:46,370
that's a story that needs to be told

1292
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:47,720
I'll tell you what before we get into

1293
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:49,370
more listen to questions can you be

1294
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:52,130
specific about how these weapons have

1295
00:55:56,980 --> 00:55:53,450
been tampered with

1296
00:55:59,620 --> 00:55:56,990
the majority of cases that are being

1297
00:56:02,050 --> 00:55:59,630
described to me involve disruptions of

1298
00:56:04,450 --> 00:56:02,060
the guidance and control systems that's

1299
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:04,460
what happened in both of the whole

1300
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:07,310
flight shutdowns at Malmstrom in 67 at

1301
00:56:11,740 --> 00:56:09,890
echo and oscar flight basically the

1302
00:56:13,660 --> 00:56:11,750
missile could not have found its target

1303
00:56:16,540 --> 00:56:13,670
because its guidance system had been

1304
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:16,550
disrupted disrupted these were Hardware

1305
00:56:21,460 --> 00:56:19,130
issues there are other reports of

1306
00:56:24,820 --> 00:56:21,470
software issues what are being called

1307
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:24,830
targeting tapes that's a proper term in

1308
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:27,200
some instances and others it involves a

1309
00:56:30,940 --> 00:56:28,850
different technology but basically the

1310
00:56:34,330 --> 00:56:30,950
software that targets Thor head is

1311
00:56:37,930 --> 00:56:34,340
disrupted and the targets the warheads

1312
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:37,940
rather need to be targeted there is the

1313
00:56:45,310 --> 00:56:42,770
very famous big sur UFO case two former

1314
00:56:48,190 --> 00:56:45,320
or retired Air Force officers major

1315
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:48,200
florins and Landsman and former

1316
00:56:53,980 --> 00:56:51,170
lieutenant Bob Jacobs have independently

1317
00:56:56,170 --> 00:56:53,990
confirmed that the exact date is really

1318
00:56:59,740 --> 00:56:56,180
in question but somewhere sometime in

1319
00:57:02,740 --> 00:56:59,750
the fall of 64 1964 at Vandenberg Air

1320
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:02,750
Force Base during a test launch of a an

1321
00:57:08,050 --> 00:57:05,510
Atlas missile with a dummy warhead test

1322
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:08,060
system which was being filmed everything

1323
00:57:12,730 --> 00:57:10,250
was on film the booster separation from

1324
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:12,740
the warhead etc according to both major

1325
00:57:18,550 --> 00:57:15,250
Mansmann and lieutenant Jacobs

1326
00:57:21,130 --> 00:57:18,560
the film captured a saucer shaped object

1327
00:57:23,740 --> 00:57:21,140
with a dome central dome flying in

1328
00:57:26,650 --> 00:57:23,750
circling the warhead and firing beams of

1329
00:57:29,290 --> 00:57:26,660
light at it before racing out of camera

1330
00:57:30,790 --> 00:57:29,300
frames seconds later the warhead began

1331
00:57:31,690 --> 00:57:30,800
to tumble and fell into the ocean

1332
00:57:34,810 --> 00:57:31,700
hundreds of MA

1333
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:34,820
short of its target if one goes to my

1334
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:37,280
website and and looks at the article

1335
00:57:41,890 --> 00:57:39,770
relating to Big Sur you'll see all of

1336
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:41,900
this in detail so there you have

1337
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:44,210
according to these two Air Force

1338
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:48,910
officers an unambiguous direct dramatic

1339
00:57:53,859 --> 00:57:51,680
provocative interference with a nuclear

1340
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:53,869
warhead in flight had something around

1341
00:57:59,200 --> 00:57:56,510
fourteen thousand miles per hour as it's

1342
00:58:02,470 --> 00:57:59,210
being as its flying downrange over the

1343
00:58:04,540 --> 00:58:02,480
Pacific to a splashdown area yeah

1344
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:04,550
isolate a question Robert just wanted to

1345
00:58:09,460 --> 00:58:06,890
ask you it occurs to me more recently

1346
00:58:12,849 --> 00:58:09,470
we've had so many instances where

1347
00:58:15,490 --> 00:58:12,859
internet criminals can hack into the CIA

1348
00:58:18,550 --> 00:58:15,500
into government installations now maybe

1349
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:18,560
not 30 40 50 years ago but more recent

1350
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:21,650
cases could they just be hackers who

1351
00:58:30,190 --> 00:58:23,839
gain control of the weapons of these

1352
00:58:33,490 --> 00:58:30,200
onboard systems no I'm talking about not

1353
00:58:38,170 --> 00:58:33,500
UFOs but individual hackers forget the

1354
00:58:40,210 --> 00:58:38,180
UFOs think about the tampering of these

1355
00:58:43,569 --> 00:58:40,220
systems if I understand your question

1356
00:58:47,380 --> 00:58:43,579
that you know it doesn't really compute

1357
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:47,390
for me not no pun intended because you

1358
00:58:53,170 --> 00:58:51,170
know what you have are the cases that

1359
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:53,180
I've investigated you quite clearly have

1360
00:58:58,990 --> 00:58:56,450
and outside presence somebody or

1361
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,000
something maneuvering around or hovering

1362
00:59:05,140 --> 00:59:01,520
in a disc-shaped craft or cigar-shaped

1363
00:59:07,780 --> 00:59:05,150
craft concurrent with these disruptions

1364
00:59:09,579 --> 00:59:07,790
so there's no implicate there's no

1365
00:59:12,579 --> 00:59:09,589
inference whatsoever not even remotely

1366
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,589
up some prosaic interference from the

1367
00:59:18,190 --> 00:59:14,480
ground by it okay so we can always say

1368
00:59:20,290 --> 00:59:18,200
Robert that anytime this happens a UFO

1369
00:59:22,690 --> 00:59:20,300
is going to be in the vicinity I'm

1370
00:59:24,609 --> 00:59:22,700
saying that the cases that have come to

1371
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:24,619
my attention from persons who were there

1372
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:26,450
and I have their military records etc

1373
00:59:33,609 --> 00:59:29,930
are that there was a unambiguous

1374
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:33,619
involvement of a UFO and did not involve

1375
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:35,930
any sort of hacking of the computer

1376
00:59:41,380 --> 00:59:39,680
systems Chris a couple more questions

1377
00:59:42,849 --> 00:59:41,390
I'm actually we have quite a number but

1378
00:59:43,730 --> 00:59:42,859
I'm trying to put them in a logical

1379
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:43,740
order here

1380
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:47,369
how about actual responses to these UFOs

1381
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:49,530
pixel Smith who has been a longtime one

1382
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:51,330
of our original posters on the on the

1383
00:59:57,650 --> 00:59:54,480
forum ask has anyone attempted to shoot

1384
01:00:00,980 --> 00:59:57,660
at UFOs over ICM ICBM bases and if not

1385
01:00:02,660 --> 01:00:00,990
why and we have any really good video or

1386
01:00:05,060 --> 01:00:02,670
photographs so I mean obviously there's

1387
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:05,070
security cameras at these bases and you

1388
01:00:08,620 --> 01:00:06,570
would think that they're just heavily

1389
01:00:11,060 --> 01:00:08,630
guarded and heavily watched what sort of

1390
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,070
photographic evidence do we have and has

1391
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:12,960
there been any armed response to any of

1392
01:00:20,030 --> 01:00:15,890
these jets scrambled cannon fire

1393
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:20,040
missiles targeted on these objects the

1394
01:00:25,790 --> 01:00:23,610
jet scrambles that I am aware of i off

1395
01:00:27,980 --> 01:00:25,800
the top of my head cannot think of a

1396
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:27,990
single instance that either a document

1397
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:31,170
or witness testimony would suggest that

1398
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:33,510
the Jets got close enough to even fire

1399
01:00:39,130 --> 01:00:37,170
on the objects the UFO is usually leads

1400
01:00:41,450 --> 01:00:39,140
in the simile at such enormous

1401
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:41,460
velocities that the Jets are basically

1402
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:44,130
left in the dust so if there are such

1403
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:46,530
instances where the jet pilots see it

1404
01:00:51,650 --> 01:00:48,810
got off a shot either cannon fire or

1405
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:51,660
missiles I can't think of anything off

1406
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:55,530
the top of my head that I'm aware of but

1407
01:01:00,109 --> 01:00:57,330
the judge chase chase is certainly do

1408
01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:00,119
take place I am aware of two separate

1409
01:01:07,580 --> 01:01:03,480
reports from former security personnel

1410
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:07,590
one at Minot Air Force Base and the

1411
01:01:13,070 --> 01:01:09,810
other at Ellsworth Air Force Base both

1412
01:01:14,990 --> 01:01:13,080
of the 1960s were allegedly once a

1413
01:01:17,140 --> 01:01:15,000
saucer-shaped object came in and

1414
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:17,150
silently hovered above the missile site

1415
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:21,570
one or more guards on guarding for

1416
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:23,730
example security was down so that I can

1417
01:01:27,950 --> 01:01:25,740
per team as it's called us put out over

1418
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:27,960
night to guard the missile silo while

1419
01:01:33,140 --> 01:01:30,480
its security system was temporarily

1420
01:01:34,550 --> 01:01:33,150
offline these two separate reports

1421
01:01:36,050 --> 01:01:34,560
suggest that these guards were so

1422
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:36,060
freaked out but they actually fired

1423
01:01:42,980 --> 01:01:39,810
their weapons at them rifles basically

1424
01:01:46,910 --> 01:01:42,990
either em ones or m16s depending on the

1425
01:01:49,730 --> 01:01:46,920
era involved and there were even you

1426
01:01:51,290 --> 01:01:49,740
know in one of the two cases reports of

1427
01:01:54,830 --> 01:01:51,300
hearing clinking sounds one of the

1428
01:01:57,599 --> 01:01:54,840
bullets hit the objects object but

1429
01:02:01,440 --> 01:01:57,609
that's really all I can say about that

1430
01:02:04,170 --> 01:02:01,450
far as photography no.1 and you know

1431
01:02:06,650 --> 01:02:04,180
going back to way back when when

1432
01:02:09,059 --> 01:02:06,660
missiles came online in the early 60s

1433
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one of the Air Force regulation for

1434
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personnel working out there was not to

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have a camera all of any type or

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recording device the reasons for that

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you know could be any number of things

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but just under the auspices of security

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the rationale for security in any case

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despite that some of my ex air force

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vector of air force veterans have said

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there were persons who violated the

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rules took cameras out there and did

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actually pick up on film at the time

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objects on film camps and film were

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later confiscated ok we'll have to get

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into the photography and all those

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ramifications in a moment Robert

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were saying before we broke for that

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brief period of time that where they

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took cameras out those cameras were

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confiscated so we have no photographic

1550
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record of any of this I can again only

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trust the statements made to me by the

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persons that I managed to track down and

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I'm unaware of anyone who said they

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still have a photograph of something

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they shot out at the site on the other

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01:08:07,140 --> 01:08:04,630
hand several persons have described

1557
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either in first-hand knowledge or just

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hearing through the grapevine that

1559
01:08:14,970 --> 01:08:12,069
someone guard or another took a camera

1560
01:08:17,579 --> 01:08:14,980
and did capture an object but the film

1561
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:17,589
and camera was later confiscated well

1562
01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:19,449
I'm simply reporting what was told to me

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01:08:22,349 --> 01:08:20,799
by persons who's who

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and edit their backgrounds their

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01:08:26,999 --> 01:08:24,159
presence in these squadrons at these

1566
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:27,009
spaces in various periods of time okay I

1567
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have another question here that it's a

1568
01:08:33,870 --> 01:08:31,659
question I have as well and one of the

1569
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things that it's always kind of tickled

1570
01:08:38,490 --> 01:08:35,710
my the back of my mind is that we may be

1571
01:08:41,220 --> 01:08:38,500
seeing some sort of attempt by the

1572
01:08:43,620 --> 01:08:41,230
military to ascertain the the level of

1573
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:43,630
proficiency that our security forces are

1574
01:08:47,819 --> 01:08:46,089
Epis at these facilities

1575
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:47,829
you know what level of proficiency that

1576
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:50,319
they can exhibit is there a possibility

1577
01:08:53,970 --> 01:08:51,730
and this is a question from trained

1578
01:08:56,370 --> 01:08:53,980
observer so any evidence of a US Air

1579
01:08:59,999 --> 01:08:56,380
Force or even recently homeland security

1580
01:09:03,149 --> 01:09:00,009
response to UFOs over izm bases ICBM

1581
01:09:06,180 --> 01:09:03,159
bases and is there the possibility of

1582
01:09:08,669 --> 01:09:06,190
some sort of psychological testing going

1583
01:09:10,559 --> 01:09:08,679
on here to ascertain how effective our

1584
01:09:12,899 --> 01:09:10,569
security forces are could this be

1585
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:12,909
actually an elaborate test of security

1586
01:09:18,510 --> 01:09:16,000
in other words skeptics debunkers have

1587
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:18,520
attempted to float that scenario it just

1588
01:09:23,039 --> 01:09:20,650
is really not worked for several reasons

1589
01:09:24,689 --> 01:09:23,049
there are for example these cases where

1590
01:09:26,910 --> 01:09:24,699
the objects are being sighted at the

1591
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missile sites and there are concurrent

1592
01:09:30,419 --> 01:09:28,599
radar tracking of the objects the

1593
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:30,429
objects quite clearly are doing things

1594
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:31,839
that no aircraft in the Air Force

1595
01:09:37,589 --> 01:09:34,719
Arsenal can do so they quite clearly are

1596
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not you know Air Force vehicles sent out

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to for some sort of ostensible readiness

1598
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exercise moreover as a number of these

1599
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retired Air Force launch officers and

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targeting officers have adamantly stated

1601
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in any readiness exercise you do not

1602
01:09:54,959 --> 01:09:53,020
take it to the point where you'd agree

1603
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:54,969
the readiness capability you do not

1604
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cause strategic weapons that could be

1605
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needed in the blink of an eye for

1606
01:10:03,450 --> 01:10:01,929
president orders a nuclear strike you do

1607
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not take large numbers of weapons

1608
01:10:08,129 --> 01:10:06,070
offline - that are offline for hours you

1609
01:10:10,319 --> 01:10:08,139
do not damage the hardware that prevents

1610
01:10:12,180 --> 01:10:10,329
those missiles being launched and yet

1611
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:12,190
this has been described again and again

1612
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:14,530
at various bases so there's two reasons

1613
01:10:19,260 --> 01:10:17,010
right there where you would not have any

1614
01:10:21,629 --> 01:10:19,270
there's no credible reason to think that

1615
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:21,639
these are readiness exercises moreover

1616
01:10:26,399 --> 01:10:24,010
and I think this is very telling with

1617
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:26,409
the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991

1618
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there was a brief period in the early

1619
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90s where a number of Western

1620
01:10:34,420 --> 01:10:33,489
journalists and researchers for example

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Joe

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Knapp went to the former Soviet Union

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01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:38,960
and interviewed former and retired so

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the military personnel actually accessed

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some kvg documents from various Soviet

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government documents in some cases and

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among all that data among all the

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documents and the testimony from these

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01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:53,810
witnesses that has been generated there

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are multiple instances of UFO activity

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01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:00,590
at Soviet missile sites and so and in

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weapons storage areas some quick

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examples in July of 1989 at a place

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called boostin yar there's now KGB

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documents confirming that large numbers

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of military personnel saw a

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saucer-shaped object with a dome come in

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and hover over a nuclear warhead storage

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depot or building the facility that had

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warheads sending down beams of light

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01:11:31,090 --> 01:11:28,370
onto this weapons storage Depot that is

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01:11:32,050 --> 01:11:31,100
virtually identical to what Colonel

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Charles halt

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01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:34,850
has described as having occurred at RAF

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01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:37,490
Bentwaters in December of 1980 where

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01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:40,400
object was cited by security personnel

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01:11:46,420 --> 01:11:42,400
at the weapons storage area there

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01:11:48,010 --> 01:11:46,430
hovering above or near the WUSA the

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weapons storage area and sending down

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01:11:53,050 --> 01:11:50,410
beams of light onto that facility and

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01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:53,060
yet this incident in the Soviet Union

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01:11:58,210 --> 01:11:55,730
some nine years later was obviously

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01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:58,220
unknown at the time and yet you know you

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01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:00,320
have virtually identical incidents

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01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:02,450
another case I've interviewed a man

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01:12:05,410 --> 01:12:04,730
named David Shore who was a nuclear

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01:12:10,570 --> 01:12:05,420
missile launch

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01:12:12,580 --> 01:12:10,580
Force Base in 1966 he describes being

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01:12:14,380 --> 01:12:12,590
down on the launch capsule one night at

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Echo flight when he at one of the

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security guards at ground level reported

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that a bright object was rapidly moving

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01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:22,460
instant start instant stop for a missile

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01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:24,650
to missile among the missiles operated

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01:12:30,130 --> 01:12:27,170
by Eko flight when the guard called down

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and said it's over echo let's say on or

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2 or 4 whatever the launch control

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01:12:38,770 --> 01:12:37,010
console indicated that missile had gone

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01:12:41,020 --> 01:12:38,780
into lock mode and was preparing to

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launch David Shore said that he and his

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commander and a separate you know the

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01:12:47,050 --> 01:12:44,780
whole procedure was undertaken to

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disrupt those launch attempts he's of

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01:12:50,830 --> 01:12:48,380
the opinion that there was no

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premeditated effort to start World War

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01:12:55,540 --> 01:12:53,630
three by whoever was in the UFO he

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01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:55,550
believes somehow they were just sort of

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01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:57,370
learning how the systems work and

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01:13:01,690 --> 01:12:59,600
inadvertently triggered the launch an

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01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:01,700
alternate scenario is that they did

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01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:03,170
trigger the launch knowing they could

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01:13:08,020 --> 01:13:05,450
shut it down just to scare the hell out

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01:13:11,260 --> 01:13:08,030
of the Air Force in any case we now know

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01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:11,270
that on October 4th 1982 at a base in

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01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:13,330
Soviet Ukraine a virtually identical

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01:13:17,710 --> 01:13:16,010
incident occurred where a saucer shaped

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01:13:20,860 --> 01:13:17,720
object covered above this missile base

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01:13:23,290 --> 01:13:20,870
for 15 seconds suddenly a an unspecified

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01:13:25,090 --> 01:13:23,300
number of missiles activated and were

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01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:25,100
prepared to launch or preparing to

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01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:28,010
launch after 15 seconds this anomaly

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01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:29,840
ceased and everything returned to normal

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01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:33,050
in June of last year 2010 a Soviet

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01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:35,360
newspaper called life reopen that case

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01:13:38,860 --> 01:13:37,040
interviewed some of the witnesses who

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were there who went on the record they

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interviewed me this paper interviewed me

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got my input and that article is posted

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at my website I should quickly point out

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also that my book UFOs and nuke is self

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best place to do that ok I have some

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more listener questions and this kind of

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gets into the realm of speculation here

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in terms of I mean you are our

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preeminent researcher in this field as

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you said you have a 40 year history plus

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personal history you know being born in

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Sandia and living actually on one of

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these bases or near one but let's get

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01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:26,720
into a little bit of speculation here

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01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:29,360
this is a question from George RF he's

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from Delaware as he puts it I'm not sure

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if mr. Hastings has ever addressed this

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but which UFO hypothesis do you believe

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01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:39,920
is the most plausible and he lists out

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01:14:43,810 --> 01:14:42,290
the ETH the extra-terrestrial hypothesis

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01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:43,820
crypto terrestrials dimensional travels

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etc and his follow-up question is he

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would also like to second the question

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that another poster has his post which

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we'll get to as well which is

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essentially why the heck would whatever

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they are care sure we have nukes and are

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capable of destroying ourselves but so

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what if these UFO

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Raiders really thought we were such a

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nuisance and a safety hazard wouldn't

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they remove us from the equation I don't

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01:15:11,410 --> 01:15:09,650
see any plausible explanation for UFOs

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01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:11,420
to be messing with our weapon systems

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01:15:16,810 --> 01:15:13,610
just to quote-unquote teach us a lesson

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or warn us please explain your theory on

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this and that's a good question I mean

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what is the motivation Robert and so you

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answer that question Robert we gotta

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take a brief pause but remind your

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listeners if you have a comment or

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question about the para cast about

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direction of the show anything at all

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write us Neal is at the para cast com

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author Robert Hastings I'm Jean

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Robert Hastings on the agenda UFO and

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nukes is the bill of fare I'm Jean

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Steinberg Chris O'Brien's the co-host

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you're in the para cast prior to our

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brief break Chris asks multi-part

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questions about the subject - Robert how

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about a multi-part answer first my

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personal opinion is that these are

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beings from somewhere else in the

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universe persons who've kept up with

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theoretical physics know that the old

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suppose you'd like speed barrier that

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400 years according to Einstein's theory

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nothing could travel the speed of light

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therefore human if these critters are

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out there on various worlds there's no

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way they could get from their world to

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our world with such frequency etcetera

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all of that has been turned on his head

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according to the theorists there are now

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any number of serious theories presented

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in peer-reviewed scientific journals

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about ways in which the speed of light

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can be surpassed by many many times for

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the existence of something called higher

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dimensional space or hyperspace your

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listeners can do their own homework on

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that but in any case I have a whole

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chapter I interviewed them six or eight

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theorists papers

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and present thumbnail sketches or what

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they proposed for alien visitation how

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they do it etcetera you're firmly

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convinced that we're dealing with the

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extra-terrestrial hypothesis here these

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are beans coming from physical space

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from some other star system planet in

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some other solar system they're coming

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01:21:42,910 --> 01:21:40,550
here and they're playing around with our

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nuclear weapons and again part two of

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the question is why I mean for what

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purpose well at its bases that's what

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I'm saying that is my opinion however if

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you look at some of the theories that

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01:21:56,170 --> 01:21:53,570
are being proposed about how the

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universe is structured and how it works

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01:21:59,140 --> 01:21:56,960
and so on

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it's not inconceivable that some of

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these visitors quote-unquote are from

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01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:04,340
other dimensions other types of reality

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01:22:08,650 --> 01:22:06,650
that will integrate with our universe so

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01:22:11,709 --> 01:22:08,660
you can't just say they're traveling

1907
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:11,719
space-time from Planet a to Planet B but

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01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:14,330
just as a catch-all category these are

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01:22:18,910 --> 01:22:16,400
beings from somewhere else they are not

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01:22:21,459 --> 01:22:18,920
human they are not they not from the

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01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:21,469
whole because they don't have you know a

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01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:24,890
a home here per se but having said that

1913
01:22:29,740 --> 01:22:26,719
okay what you're saying here we

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basically assume here then that the

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01:22:35,620 --> 01:22:33,350
entities seen in and around UFOs largely

1916
01:22:37,870 --> 01:22:35,630
the great aliens this is what you assume

1917
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:37,880
when you use the term non-human well

1918
01:22:42,729 --> 01:22:40,370
grey aliens is too limited and too

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01:22:46,780 --> 01:22:42,739
specific if one looks at citing reports

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01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:46,790
of entities near landed UFOs or a low

1921
01:22:51,820 --> 01:22:50,090
low altitude hovering UFOs and you weed

1922
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:51,830
out and let's say less than credible

1923
01:22:55,959 --> 01:22:54,170
data and look at reports by law

1924
01:22:58,959 --> 01:22:55,969
enforcement personnel around the world

1925
01:23:01,360 --> 01:22:58,969
who have no reason to lie about these

1926
01:23:04,150 --> 01:23:01,370
things usually it adversely impacts

1927
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:04,160
their job but who reported seeing beings

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01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:05,930
quote-unquote near these saucer-shaped

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01:23:10,270 --> 01:23:08,570
craft or cigars or whatever you you

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01:23:12,490 --> 01:23:10,280
quite clearly come to the conclusion

1931
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:12,500
that if if these reports have merit at

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01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:15,050
all that there is a diversity of life

1933
01:23:18,700 --> 01:23:17,090
forms being described some of them are

1934
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:18,710
three feet tall some are seven feet tall

1935
01:23:23,950 --> 01:23:21,290
some look human some quite clearly are

1936
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:23,960
not human but they're morphologies their

1937
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:27,050
appearances facial features coloring etc

1938
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:29,810
are so different from one another that

1939
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:31,520
they quite clearly are from different

1940
01:23:35,470 --> 01:23:33,530
points of origin that is different

1941
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:35,480
worlds different planets so that's my

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01:23:38,140 --> 01:23:36,080
view

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01:23:39,340 --> 01:23:38,150
you know setting aside all of the

1944
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:39,350
abduction reports which are

1945
01:23:43,330 --> 01:23:41,450
controversial involving hypnosis

1946
01:23:46,150 --> 01:23:43,340
sometimes it cetera disappearing with

1947
01:23:49,330 --> 01:23:46,160
items reports by cops around the world

1948
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:49,340
going back to the early 50s you have to

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01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:52,400
suggest multiple races visiting earth to

1950
01:23:56,860 --> 01:23:55,250
get further into the collection of why

1951
01:23:59,290 --> 01:23:56,870
they don't just sit down on the White

1952
01:24:01,450 --> 01:23:59,300
House lawn or in the Kremlin courtyard

1953
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:01,460
and saying get off get rid of your nukes

1954
01:24:07,690 --> 01:24:03,890
that suggests to me that there is a

1955
01:24:10,780 --> 01:24:07,700
larger plan potentially leading to open

1956
01:24:13,090 --> 01:24:10,790
contact with humankind that what I think

1957
01:24:15,310 --> 01:24:13,100
they're engaging in with what could be

1958
01:24:17,710 --> 01:24:15,320
called display behavior where they come

1959
01:24:20,110 --> 01:24:17,720
in and hover over large cities for no

1960
01:24:22,660 --> 01:24:20,120
apparent utilitarian reason other than

1961
01:24:25,180 --> 01:24:22,670
just to basically say hey look at us I

1962
01:24:27,820 --> 01:24:25,190
think you have enough incidence of that

1963
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:27,830
going on decade after decade with all

1964
01:24:32,140 --> 01:24:29,690
the other sighting reports to suggest

1965
01:24:34,060 --> 01:24:32,150
that there is a decades-long maybe a

1966
01:24:36,490 --> 01:24:34,070
hundred year long who knows how long

1967
01:24:39,820 --> 01:24:36,500
psychological preparation for us gets us

1968
01:24:42,100 --> 01:24:39,830
going on whereby they know that if they

1969
01:24:44,260 --> 01:24:42,110
suddenly in one fell swoop land on the

1970
01:24:46,450 --> 01:24:44,270
White House lawn etc there could be

1971
01:24:49,090 --> 01:24:46,460
panic there could be a whole host of

1972
01:24:51,090 --> 01:24:49,100
adverse consequences whereas on the

1973
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:51,100
other hand if they engage in is

1974
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:54,290
on-again-off-again tantalizing teasing

1975
01:24:59,020 --> 01:24:56,210
behavior that when they ultimately

1976
01:25:01,690 --> 01:24:59,030
decide to up the ante and announce

1977
01:25:04,900 --> 01:25:01,700
themselves then the consequences could

1978
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:04,910
be far less dire however in the context

1979
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:07,850
of the Cold War era where you had so

1980
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:10,610
many instances of Armageddon nuclear

1981
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:13,370
Armageddon us being just minutes away I

1982
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:16,730
have a chapter list being 20 documented

1983
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:18,410
instances where either we are the

1984
01:25:22,450 --> 01:25:20,930
Soviets misunderstood something thought

1985
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:22,460
the other was about to launch a nuclear

1986
01:25:27,250 --> 01:25:24,530
strike and we're preparing to do so

1987
01:25:29,020 --> 01:25:27,260
there's so many cases Walker you know

1988
01:25:30,970 --> 01:25:29,030
World War three could have happened

1989
01:25:33,370 --> 01:25:30,980
except for the grace of God or just

1990
01:25:36,460 --> 01:25:33,380
cheered down walk over the last 60 years

1991
01:25:39,010 --> 01:25:36,470
that these beings whoever they are one

1992
01:25:42,340 --> 01:25:39,020
or more races have decided to covertly

1993
01:25:43,860 --> 01:25:42,350
interact to monitor the situation both

1994
01:25:45,610 --> 01:25:43,870
here and then the Soviet Union

1995
01:25:47,380 --> 01:25:45,620
occasionally interject themselves

1996
01:25:49,480 --> 01:25:47,390
directly and interfere with the

1997
01:25:49,780 --> 01:25:49,490
functionality of the weapons to send

1998
01:25:52,450 --> 01:25:49,790
them

1999
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:52,460
one kind or another in my opinion to

2000
01:25:57,430 --> 01:25:54,890
Washington and Moscow but all of this

2001
01:25:59,860 --> 01:25:57,440
was done on a stealthy covert fashion if

2002
01:26:01,840 --> 01:25:59,870
not for persons such as myself and Bob

2003
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:01,850
Salas and others who were involved in

2004
01:26:06,130 --> 01:26:03,650
these incidents feeling the need to

2005
01:26:07,930 --> 01:26:06,140
speak out publicly about them most of

2006
01:26:09,970 --> 01:26:07,940
this conversation would be you know

2007
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:09,980
still hid knowledge because it's still

2008
01:26:13,390 --> 01:26:10,880
classified

2009
01:26:15,940 --> 01:26:13,400
so whoever they are can play this

2010
01:26:17,980 --> 01:26:15,950
two-track game whereby they're there

2011
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:17,990
immediately injecting themselves from

2012
01:26:21,790 --> 01:26:20,090
time to time into what they consider

2013
01:26:24,820 --> 01:26:21,800
trigger situations that might

2014
01:26:27,100 --> 01:26:24,830
precipitate nuclear warfare but at the

2015
01:26:28,420 --> 01:26:27,110
same time they're holding off with you

2016
01:26:30,820 --> 01:26:28,430
know the once and for all

2017
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:30,830
unequivocal on the unveiling of

2018
01:26:36,850 --> 01:26:33,770
themselves until whatever timetable they

2019
01:26:38,620 --> 01:26:36,860
have in mind has has transpired well can

2020
01:26:41,020 --> 01:26:38,630
we can we look at a correlation between

2021
01:26:43,420 --> 01:26:41,030
these hair-trigger incidents where you

2022
01:26:45,460 --> 01:26:43,430
know we went to heightened states of

2023
01:26:47,500 --> 01:26:45,470
alert and and then possibly these

2024
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:47,510
objects would show up as sort of a

2025
01:26:52,150 --> 01:26:50,000
pre-emptive exercise I mean do we have

2026
01:26:54,670 --> 01:26:52,160
any real direct correlations we have a

2027
01:26:56,890 --> 01:26:54,680
paper trail that that says that you know

2028
01:26:58,570 --> 01:26:56,900
we went to this level alert level at

2029
01:27:00,430 --> 01:26:58,580
this time and then you know these

2030
01:27:02,590 --> 01:27:00,440
objects came in could possibly their

2031
01:27:04,990 --> 01:27:02,600
motivation be to help help us ratchet

2032
01:27:07,180 --> 01:27:05,000
back our hair triggers sort of behavior

2033
01:27:10,180 --> 01:27:07,190
during the Cold War there are a number

2034
01:27:12,940 --> 01:27:10,190
of incidents where that is suggested

2035
01:27:14,980 --> 01:27:12,950
indeed other persons with whom I've been

2036
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:14,990
in communication are saying that I need

2037
01:27:20,650 --> 01:27:17,570
to hit that point more heavily more

2038
01:27:22,030 --> 01:27:20,660
harder hard look hard that there does

2039
01:27:24,940 --> 01:27:22,040
seem to be a cause-and-effect

2040
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:24,950
relationship from time to time I'm not

2041
01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:26,480
prepared to do that for a number of

2042
01:27:34,890 --> 01:27:31,520
reasons but except to say that that

2043
01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:34,900
there are for example it's now known

2044
01:27:40,270 --> 01:27:38,450
that there were newspaper articles in

2045
01:27:44,230 --> 01:27:40,280
around the time of the Cuban Missile

2046
01:27:46,420 --> 01:27:44,240
Crisis in October of 62 where UFOs were

2047
01:27:48,130 --> 01:27:46,430
being reported by civilians and law

2048
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:48,140
enforcement near missile sites in

2049
01:27:54,610 --> 01:27:51,130
Montana the first particular online

2050
01:27:56,380 --> 01:27:54,620
Minuteman missiles squadron just

2051
01:27:58,840 --> 01:27:56,390
basically went online around that time

2052
01:28:01,750 --> 01:27:58,850
John Kennedy called it his ace in the

2053
01:28:03,220 --> 01:28:01,760
hole we now know and Dan Wilson

2054
01:28:05,950 --> 01:28:03,230
researcher Dan Wilson

2055
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:05,960
is wonderfully diligent about ferreting

2056
01:28:10,510 --> 01:28:07,850
these things out he's found I think

2057
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:10,520
three separate articles suggesting

2058
01:28:15,940 --> 01:28:13,760
Jesper our prior I mean days in some

2059
01:28:18,130 --> 01:28:15,950
cases well within the the queue and

2060
01:28:20,110 --> 01:28:18,140
missile crisis either days prior or well

2061
01:28:22,450 --> 01:28:20,120
within the Cuban Missile Crisis there

2062
01:28:25,390 --> 01:28:22,460
were sightings of UFOs at these missile

2063
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:25,400
sites in Montana so that's pretty pretty

2064
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:28,489
strong circumstantial evidence that when

2065
01:28:32,410 --> 01:28:30,530
it appeared we were about to push the

2066
01:28:35,500 --> 01:28:32,420
button so to speak we are the Soviets

2067
01:28:38,850 --> 01:28:35,510
there were you it was a UFO presence at

2068
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:38,860
at least one missile squadron in Montana

2069
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:41,570
once I think we've skirted around here

2070
01:28:47,710 --> 01:28:45,170
is of course weather how often the

2071
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:47,720
presence of a UFO may have taken us

2072
01:28:58,300 --> 01:28:54,530
close to the brink there are reports and

2073
01:29:00,100 --> 01:28:58,310
yeah and I would have to just generally

2074
01:29:02,290 --> 01:29:00,110
answer the question because I would not

2075
01:29:05,410 --> 01:29:02,300
can't because of the details page time

2076
01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:05,420
sources of information but it's been

2077
01:29:09,250 --> 01:29:07,280
reported repeatedly that there were

2078
01:29:11,979 --> 01:29:09,260
instances during the Cold War where

2079
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:11,989
radar in North America attract anomalous

2080
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:13,970
objects coming over the pole which were

2081
01:29:17,770 --> 01:29:15,410
immediately assumed to be either

2082
01:29:22,150 --> 01:29:17,780
missiles Soviet missiles or bombers and

2083
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:22,160
a you know this created alarm and these

2084
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:24,080
things either just faded away or went

2085
01:29:28,660 --> 01:29:25,730
off in another direction and therefore

2086
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:28,670
they were UFOs quite clearly not weather

2087
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:32,330
phenomena or other radar artifacts they

2088
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:34,970
were clearly craft in some cases large

2089
01:29:39,490 --> 01:29:37,040
numbers of craft seemingly moving from

2090
01:29:42,010 --> 01:29:39,500
the polar regions down toward into North

2091
01:29:44,229 --> 01:29:42,020
America I'll tell you more of that issue

2092
01:29:46,660 --> 01:29:44,239
that we've just raised with Robert

2093
01:29:51,060 --> 01:29:46,670
Hastings I'm Jean Steinberg the co-host

2094
01:29:54,990 --> 01:29:51,070
is Chris O'Brien you're in the para cast

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here to say a good word or two about the

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para cast which I believe is the gold

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standard of paranormal radio listen to

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2209
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Hastings joins us he wanted to amplify

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on that particular answer you started

2211
01:34:40,300 --> 01:34:38,000
about the UFOs coming from the polar

2212
01:34:42,490 --> 01:34:40,310
regions is this common is this one of

2213
01:34:45,660 --> 01:34:42,500
the possibilities that maybe they're

2214
01:34:49,480 --> 01:34:45,670
using that as a station area there are

2215
01:34:51,820 --> 01:34:49,490
reports of UFO activity in Antarctica

2216
01:34:54,010 --> 01:34:51,830
which after all of the continent covered

2217
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:54,020
by ice the polar regions in the northern

2218
01:34:58,960 --> 01:34:56,570
hemisphere are water covered by ice so

2219
01:35:01,210 --> 01:34:58,970
unless they're operating under the ocean

2220
01:35:03,610 --> 01:35:01,220
which there are seemingly reports that

2221
01:35:05,490 --> 01:35:03,620
that's in the realm of possibility you

2222
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:05,500
know who knows I'm simply reporting

2223
01:35:10,180 --> 01:35:08,330
instances where targets on mountain

2224
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:10,190
targets suddenly popped up somewhere in

2225
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:12,290
the polar region and we're quite clearly

2226
01:35:17,530 --> 01:35:14,330
heading down into North American

2227
01:35:21,190 --> 01:35:17,540
airspace whether they came in from outer

2228
01:35:22,900 --> 01:35:21,200
space or from under the Polar Sea who

2229
01:35:25,810 --> 01:35:22,910
knows I don't think that question could

2230
01:35:27,670 --> 01:35:25,820
be answered to sort of further expand

2231
01:35:29,350 --> 01:35:27,680
upon the question we were we were

2232
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:29,360
dealing with earlier about why would

2233
01:35:35,470 --> 01:35:31,930
they care about our worth welfare etc

2234
01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:35,480
again unknown answer but let's just say

2235
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:38,000
that even though they're not from here

2236
01:35:43,450 --> 01:35:39,890
they have bases here and they operate

2237
01:35:47,380 --> 01:35:43,460
either in remote parts of you know

2238
01:35:50,350 --> 01:35:47,390
continental areas or under the ocean if

2239
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:50,360
we screw up the planet with radiation or

2240
01:35:57,460 --> 01:35:53,690
whatever it's well B maybe that we are

2241
01:36:00,100 --> 01:35:57,470
impacting there let's say you know it

2242
01:36:01,930 --> 01:36:00,110
stops somewhere else that whatever

2243
01:36:04,110 --> 01:36:01,940
utilization they would have for patients

2244
01:36:06,850 --> 01:36:04,120
on on our planet if they exist

2245
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:06,860
you know nuclear warfare would not only

2246
01:36:10,750 --> 01:36:08,930
disrupt human civilization it would

2247
01:36:12,900 --> 01:36:10,760
potentially interrupt their

2248
01:36:15,550 --> 01:36:12,910
they're disrupt there enter their

2249
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:15,560
operations here as well so that's one

2250
01:36:20,140 --> 01:36:17,449
possible scenario but doesn't that raise

2251
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:20,150
the possibility too that UFOs may be

2252
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:22,010
native there's another theory about

2253
01:36:27,310 --> 01:36:24,650
crypto terrestrials voiced by many

2254
01:36:29,140 --> 01:36:27,320
including the blade Mac Tony's which

2255
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:29,150
suggests that there is another race

2256
01:36:34,450 --> 01:36:31,040
coexisting with ours maybe they're

2257
01:36:36,430 --> 01:36:34,460
located in the oceans under the earth in

2258
01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:36,440
caverns and the reason they're so

2259
01:36:41,470 --> 01:36:38,719
concerned with what we do is when we

2260
01:36:43,959 --> 01:36:41,480
heard our environment or caused the

2261
01:36:47,020 --> 01:36:43,969
danger of a world war with nuclear

2262
01:36:49,209 --> 01:36:47,030
weapons they are directly impacted I

2263
01:36:51,669 --> 01:36:49,219
don't subscribe to that as being a

2264
01:36:54,459 --> 01:36:51,679
viable scenario again if one looks at

2265
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:54,469
the sighting reports of entities near

2266
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:56,810
land of UFOs we're dealing with diverse

2267
01:37:03,150 --> 01:36:59,600
morphologies quite clearly it's not a

2268
01:37:06,459 --> 01:37:03,160
question of one race having subsets like

2269
01:37:08,830 --> 01:37:06,469
Caucasians and negroids and so on but

2270
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:08,840
what you have are so radically different

2271
01:37:13,689 --> 01:37:12,170
types of physicalities that I think

2272
01:37:16,060 --> 01:37:13,699
we're being visited from multiple places

2273
01:37:17,979 --> 01:37:16,070
elsewhere in the universe to me to my

2274
01:37:20,229 --> 01:37:17,989
mind the available data which are

2275
01:37:23,110 --> 01:37:20,239
sketchy and they have been for 60 years

2276
01:37:25,330 --> 01:37:23,120
now or that we have multiple races as a

2277
01:37:27,700 --> 01:37:25,340
few years from somewhere else I just I

2278
01:37:30,310 --> 01:37:27,710
think that's far more plausible based on

2279
01:37:33,370 --> 01:37:30,320
the data that are currently available

2280
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:33,380
for analysis than suggesting that this

2281
01:37:37,780 --> 01:37:35,360
other race has been inhabiting this

2282
01:37:40,630 --> 01:37:37,790
planet from the get-go and we've had

2283
01:37:42,370 --> 01:37:40,640
this long time sharing of the earth but

2284
01:37:44,919 --> 01:37:42,380
then I just don't think that holds up

2285
01:37:47,590 --> 01:37:44,929
I'm sitting here with a good friend of

2286
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:47,600
mine who's a longtime cisco lead

2287
01:37:54,100 --> 01:37:51,290
engineer he's a mechanical engineer and

2288
01:37:55,810 --> 01:37:54,110
physicist and he's been busy writing up

2289
01:37:58,540 --> 01:37:55,820
some questions for me here and I want to

2290
01:38:00,880 --> 01:37:58,550
ask one of them and he says a one

2291
01:38:03,070 --> 01:38:00,890
debunking of this whole scenario that

2292
01:38:05,709 --> 01:38:03,080
he's heard involved loosely inserted

2293
01:38:07,300 --> 01:38:05,719
Hardware cards and when receded into the

2294
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:07,310
chassis it was said that for instance

2295
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:08,960
the Malstrom problems were corrected

2296
01:38:13,709 --> 01:38:11,330
he's not sure where he heard this but

2297
01:38:16,270 --> 01:38:13,719
he's pretty certain that that this was

2298
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:16,280
you know kind of a standard debunking

2299
01:38:20,830 --> 01:38:18,410
sort of explanation for at least some of

2300
01:38:24,580 --> 01:38:20,840
these particular incidences were where

2301
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:24,590
these these malfunctions occurred is is

2302
01:38:29,169 --> 01:38:26,570
this possibly true I have you heard that

2303
01:38:31,570 --> 01:38:29,179
this was a potential explanation for at

2304
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:31,580
least some of these reports well the

2305
01:38:38,580 --> 01:38:34,610
latest variation on what occurred at EFI

2306
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:38,590
war in last October 2010 was that a

2307
01:38:44,229 --> 01:38:41,690
circuit card in a weapons systems

2308
01:38:47,260 --> 01:38:44,239
computer had been improperly replaced

2309
01:38:50,979 --> 01:38:47,270
and caused this disruption again that

2310
01:38:53,169 --> 01:38:50,989
entirely is contradicted by two missile

2311
01:38:55,570 --> 01:38:53,179
technicians active duty who say

2312
01:38:57,580 --> 01:38:55,580
otherwise and say that this one all much

2313
01:38:59,229 --> 01:38:57,590
longer and so on and that there was

2314
01:39:01,629 --> 01:38:59,239
these what there were these multiple

2315
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:01,639
sightings of this cigar-shaped object so

2316
01:39:06,850 --> 01:39:04,250
whether that's a garbled version what he

2317
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:06,860
heard or read about is involved with

2318
01:39:12,790 --> 01:39:09,199
that or not I don't know I do know that

2319
01:39:15,910 --> 01:39:12,800
the Boeing engineers Boeing engineer

2320
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:15,920
Robert Kaminski who was called in by the

2321
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:18,080
Air Force to investigate the echo flight

2322
01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:20,810
incident in March of 67 has said

2323
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:23,360
unequivocally both in audio interviews

2324
01:39:28,060 --> 01:39:26,000
and in a very lengthy letter to

2325
01:39:30,939 --> 01:39:28,070
researcher Jim Klotz that there could be

2326
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:30,949
that his team could find no prosaic

2327
01:39:36,129 --> 01:39:33,770
reason for this 10 missile shut down all

2328
01:39:38,890 --> 01:39:36,139
of the theories proposed by the skeptics

2329
01:39:41,950 --> 01:39:38,900
and by James Carlson who's in a category

2330
01:39:44,100 --> 01:39:41,960
by himself start calling James Carlson

2331
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:44,110
Emma Carlson

2332
01:39:49,359 --> 01:39:47,690
in any case Robert Kaminski's at my

2333
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:49,369
website there are like the articles

2334
01:39:53,740 --> 01:39:51,170
about the Oscar and echo Flight

2335
01:39:56,470 --> 01:39:53,750
shutdowns in which I think there are

2336
01:39:58,419 --> 01:39:56,480
direct links to the Kaminski letter in

2337
01:40:00,550 --> 01:39:58,429
which he says chapter in verse this is

2338
01:40:03,700 --> 01:40:00,560
why you know this was not a conventional

2339
01:40:05,709 --> 01:40:03,710
shutdown incident furthermore Kaminski

2340
01:40:08,140 --> 01:40:05,719
who again headed up the Boeing team of

2341
01:40:10,270 --> 01:40:08,150
engineers investigating the echo flight

2342
01:40:12,399 --> 01:40:10,280
incident said that they got a call from

2343
01:40:15,010 --> 01:40:12,409
the Air Force basically saying stop your

2344
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:15,020
investigation do not file a report this

2345
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:17,210
was unprecedented you know the Air Force

2346
01:40:21,100 --> 01:40:19,010
would always want to know from Boeing

2347
01:40:23,290 --> 01:40:21,110
why a missile failed etc in this case

2348
01:40:26,830 --> 01:40:23,300
they were waved off in no uncertain

2349
01:40:30,580 --> 01:40:26,840
terms and Kaminsky says quite clearly

2350
01:40:32,740 --> 01:40:30,590
that his Boeing liaison personnel who

2351
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:32,750
are at Malmstrom and you know during

2352
01:40:36,730 --> 01:40:34,250
this whole episode

2353
01:40:38,500 --> 01:40:36,740
there were reports of UFO activity and

2354
01:40:41,260 --> 01:40:38,510
that's why the Air Force was trying to

2355
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:41,270
shut down the incident quite quickly and

2356
01:40:46,090 --> 01:40:43,850
not further investigated now this is the

2357
01:40:48,250 --> 01:40:46,100
head of the Boeing team of engineers

2358
01:40:50,590 --> 01:40:48,260
involved with the analysis this was a

2359
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:50,600
guy who was tasked by Boeing and the Air

2360
01:40:55,650 --> 01:40:54,170
Force to do the - good job so you know

2361
01:40:59,890 --> 01:40:55,660
really what's wrong with that picture

2362
01:41:01,300 --> 01:40:59,900
yeah well Andrew corrected me he's not a

2363
01:41:03,550 --> 01:41:01,310
mechanical engineer he's a software

2364
01:41:05,770 --> 01:41:03,560
engineer I'm sorry Andrew it has another

2365
01:41:07,870 --> 01:41:05,780
question this this relates to

2366
01:41:10,150 --> 01:41:07,880
statistical analysis of a correlation

2367
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:10,160
between UFO sightings and nuclear

2368
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:12,770
related facilities and you know one

2369
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:13,970
thing that I was a little disappointed

2370
01:41:18,850 --> 01:41:16,370
in your book is I was hoping to see a

2371
01:41:22,630 --> 01:41:18,860
map let's say uh that would indicate a

2372
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:22,640
true statistical clustering of objects

2373
01:41:28,150 --> 01:41:25,130
around facilities and Andrew wants to

2374
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:28,160
know what sort of actual patterns have

2375
01:41:34,180 --> 01:41:30,970
been mathematically derived from these

2376
01:41:36,100 --> 01:41:34,190
possible correlation and one thing when

2377
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:36,110
you do let's say go into a second

2378
01:41:41,530 --> 01:41:38,210
printing I would suggest just you know

2379
01:41:43,530 --> 01:41:41,540
for my own interest to include a map

2380
01:41:46,420 --> 01:41:43,540
that gives more of a visual

2381
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:46,430
representation of a potential

2382
01:41:51,310 --> 01:41:48,290
correlation between these sightings and

2383
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:51,320
these these facilities so how have you

2384
01:41:59,410 --> 01:41:54,560
done any Bayesian analysis of clustering

2385
01:42:02,350 --> 01:41:59,420
you know go ahead again and I did

2386
01:42:06,490 --> 01:42:02,360
briefly allude to this earlier from my

2387
01:42:08,170 --> 01:42:06,500
standpoint here's the problem basically

2388
01:42:10,810 --> 01:42:08,180
me and a handful of other people

2389
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:10,820
primarily me are seeking out witnesses

2390
01:42:16,180 --> 01:42:13,850
who may or may not talk to us and so we

2391
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:16,190
all have a sense of what went on or we

2392
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:17,840
won't have a sense of what went on I

2393
01:42:20,710 --> 01:42:19,250
mean a number of people said I know

2394
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:20,720
about that but I'm not going to talk

2395
01:42:26,490 --> 01:42:22,850
about it and so there are all these gaps

2396
01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:26,500
so what you have is catch-as-catch-can

2397
01:42:31,930 --> 01:42:29,360
data I am tracking down people who may

2398
01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:31,940
or may not talk to me I know of cases

2399
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:35,360
where you know for years I don't know

2400
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:37,370
about any sighting reports at a given

2401
01:42:41,740 --> 01:42:40,130
base during a given time frame down all

2402
01:42:43,690 --> 01:42:41,750
the testimony I'm hearing and yet

2403
01:42:45,550 --> 01:42:43,700
ultimately ten years down the road I

2404
01:42:47,540 --> 01:42:45,560
finally find the right guy who is at the

2405
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:47,550
right place who is involved in the

2406
01:42:52,940 --> 01:42:50,010
than at that base at that time frame so

2407
01:42:56,030 --> 01:42:52,950
it it's catch-as-catch-can

2408
01:42:58,370 --> 01:42:56,040
no one can systematically say how many

2409
01:43:01,280 --> 01:42:58,380
incidents occurred at a given base and

2410
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:01,290
given time frame therefore one cannot in

2411
01:43:08,330 --> 01:43:05,130
my mind derive a quantitative model to

2412
01:43:10,820 --> 01:43:08,340
either catalog historically say what

2413
01:43:13,250 --> 01:43:10,830
took place when and where and at the

2414
01:43:15,590 --> 01:43:13,260
same time accurately predict what might

2415
01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:15,600
occur in the future because of all this

2416
01:43:22,100 --> 01:43:18,480
date you know if the Air Force open its

2417
01:43:24,230 --> 01:43:22,110
files and reported it gave every report

2418
01:43:26,480 --> 01:43:24,240
to the public about these instances then

2419
01:43:27,770 --> 01:43:26,490
you could do something like that but I'm

2420
01:43:30,110 --> 01:43:27,780
not gonna hold my breath on that one

2421
01:43:32,930 --> 01:43:30,120
yeah so you know you understand the

2422
01:43:36,460 --> 01:43:32,940
point I think yeah good point well taken

2423
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:36,470
a you know one thing that that's always

2424
01:43:41,780 --> 01:43:38,880
impressed me about your work is how

2425
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:41,790
methodical you you have been in terms of

2426
01:43:46,610 --> 01:43:44,130
getting to these potential witnesses and

2427
01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:46,620
I think we we we've been so excited to

2428
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:48,480
get into this subject though one of the

2429
01:43:54,050 --> 01:43:51,330
early questions I wanted to ask was to

2430
01:43:56,120 --> 01:43:54,060
describe for our listeners the process I

2431
01:43:58,910 --> 01:43:56,130
mean the laborious process that you went

2432
01:44:02,720 --> 01:43:58,920
through to to contact these these

2433
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:02,730
various groups and alumni type groups

2434
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:05,010
let's say and and once you describe to

2435
01:44:09,530 --> 01:44:07,290
us the difficulty it is you just brought

2436
01:44:12,110 --> 01:44:09,540
it up in getting these people to talk

2437
01:44:14,270 --> 01:44:12,120
and and the process that you underwent

2438
01:44:16,100 --> 01:44:14,280
to contact as many of these potential

2439
01:44:17,540 --> 01:44:16,110
witnesses as possible I think I think

2440
01:44:19,790 --> 01:44:17,550
our listeners really need to get a sense

2441
01:44:21,260 --> 01:44:19,800
of how hard you've worked on this and I

2442
01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:21,270
think that's the question that's gonna

2443
01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:23,040
make our listeners want to come back

2444
01:44:28,850 --> 01:44:26,250
after the break and hear pacings answer

2445
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:28,860
on his investigative process contacting

2446
01:44:32,510 --> 01:44:30,930
the people and getting them to talk

2447
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:32,520
which is gotta be difficult

2448
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:35,130
Robert Hastings joins us the co-host is

2449
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:37,440
Chris O'Brien I'm Jean Steinberg you're

2450
01:44:44,870 --> 01:44:40,570
in the para cast

2451
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:44,880
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2452
01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:47,530
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01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:01,430
Robert Hastings our guest the book is

2476
01:46:06,940 --> 01:46:04,370
UFOs and nukes I'm Jean Steinberg my

2477
01:46:09,310 --> 01:46:06,950
co-host is Chris O'Brien on the para

2478
01:46:11,710 --> 01:46:09,320
cast before we broke we asked you this

2479
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:11,720
question Chris did he asked you a

2480
01:46:16,030 --> 01:46:13,970
question about your investigative

2481
01:46:18,730 --> 01:46:16,040
process and maybe you can detail that

2482
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:18,740
here how'd you get these people to talk

2483
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:21,050
I think earlier in the program I

2484
01:46:26,500 --> 01:46:23,570
mentioned the fact that once I was aware

2485
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:26,510
that UFOs were being reported at the

2486
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:28,370
missile sites at mounts Durham in the

2487
01:46:33,220 --> 01:46:31,250
spring of 67 in addition to my father

2488
01:46:36,430 --> 01:46:33,230
who worked at a place called the sage

2489
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:36,440
building which was the military are set

2490
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:39,650
up who confirmed reports from civilian

2491
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:41,570
controllers at the air traffic control

2492
01:46:46,060 --> 01:46:43,850
tower that I personally witnessed on one

2493
01:46:48,850 --> 01:46:46,070
night I described in my book how that

2494
01:46:50,830 --> 01:46:48,860
took place in any case once I knew that

2495
01:46:52,540 --> 01:46:50,840
something to be going on and serious

2496
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:52,550
people who had serious jobs were

2497
01:46:57,520 --> 01:46:54,170
reporting it's independent of one

2498
01:47:00,190 --> 01:46:57,530
another I was 17 at 16 going on 17 I

2499
01:47:04,780 --> 01:47:00,200
couldn't really do much with it until I

2500
01:47:07,660 --> 01:47:04,790
left college in 73 I think it was I read

2501
01:47:10,750 --> 01:47:07,670
ray Fowler's report about UFO activity

2502
01:47:13,300 --> 01:47:10,760
at monster man that's what's poor so my

2503
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:13,310
immediate field of opportunity was des I

2504
01:47:19,030 --> 01:47:16,250
would meet people in the Air Force

2505
01:47:20,650 --> 01:47:19,040
context I made I would ask them but you

2506
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:20,660
know the majority of people asked about

2507
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:23,090
UFO activity at nuclear missile sites or

2508
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:25,010
weapon sites you know either looked at

2509
01:47:28,510 --> 01:47:26,930
me like I was crazy or said you know I

2510
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:28,520
don't know anything about that

2511
01:47:33,340 --> 01:47:30,410
and those responses were truthful

2512
01:47:35,260 --> 01:47:33,350
somewhere but over just you know

2513
01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:35,270
slogging one foot in front of the other

2514
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:37,760
year after year you finally come up with

2515
01:47:45,130 --> 01:47:41,690
a like I said nearly 100 credible P 130

2516
01:47:46,990 --> 01:47:45,140
rather credible people who have from the

2517
01:47:49,540 --> 01:47:47,000
rank of retired colonel down to Airmen

2518
01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:49,550
talked in very specific terms about

2519
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:51,170
their involvement in one incident or

2520
01:47:56,230 --> 01:47:54,050
another the Internet makes it easier in

2521
01:47:58,540 --> 01:47:56,240
terms of contacting military alumni

2522
01:48:01,300 --> 01:47:58,550
groups I could contact as security

2523
01:48:03,490 --> 01:48:01,310
police squadron alumni groups those are

2524
01:48:05,860 --> 01:48:03,500
the primary eyewitnesses all the launch

2525
01:48:07,450 --> 01:48:05,870
officers were underground they were just

2526
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:07,460
getting these frantic reports from

2527
01:48:10,820 --> 01:48:08,610
ground level

2528
01:48:12,350 --> 01:48:10,830
from their security guys but the

2529
01:48:13,580 --> 01:48:12,360
eyewitnesses were the security police

2530
01:48:15,500 --> 01:48:13,590
and a number of them have been

2531
01:48:17,450 --> 01:48:15,510
interviewed and appear in my book but

2532
01:48:20,689 --> 01:48:17,460
you know it's just still it still has

2533
01:48:22,820 --> 01:48:20,699
this kind of catch-as-catch-can feel to

2534
01:48:25,220 --> 01:48:22,830
it because there's really no systematic

2535
01:48:26,899 --> 01:48:25,230
way for me to sit down with every member

2536
01:48:28,700 --> 01:48:26,909
and every squadron at a given base

2537
01:48:31,550 --> 01:48:28,710
during a given timeframe and grill them

2538
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:31,560
all it's no way I can in essence you

2539
01:48:35,149 --> 01:48:33,690
just let one one clue and one source

2540
01:48:39,109 --> 01:48:35,159
lead you to other clues and other

2541
01:48:41,030 --> 01:48:39,119
sources kind of yeah you know once you

2542
01:48:45,950 --> 01:48:41,040
know once I was I have to say once I was

2543
01:48:48,470 --> 01:48:45,960
on Larry King in 2008 and that with Bob

2544
01:48:51,410 --> 01:48:48,480
SAS and I think it was two or three

2545
01:48:54,770 --> 01:48:51,420
other retired Air Force officers I got a

2546
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:54,780
number of the number of solid leads from

2547
01:49:00,320 --> 01:48:57,090
other Air Force veterans jumped quite

2548
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:00,330
significantly and with my press

2549
01:49:04,340 --> 01:49:01,650
conference in Washington this past

2550
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:04,350
September which was streamed live by CNN

2551
01:49:08,450 --> 01:49:06,810
during which seven former Air Force

2552
01:49:11,450 --> 01:49:08,460
personnel we're talking about these

2553
01:49:13,820 --> 01:49:11,460
things I again have gotten a new influx

2554
01:49:15,500 --> 01:49:13,830
of sources I of course have to vet

2555
01:49:17,390 --> 01:49:15,510
sources every now and then I get a

2556
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:17,400
little air or someone who's on ponds

2557
01:49:22,129 --> 01:49:20,130
making unfounded claims but the majority

2558
01:49:23,660 --> 01:49:22,139
of these people are quite solid their

2559
01:49:26,330 --> 01:49:23,670
credentials stand up their service

2560
01:49:28,729 --> 01:49:26,340
records verify their their presence and

2561
01:49:31,340 --> 01:49:28,739
these squadrons at these bases some of

2562
01:49:33,950 --> 01:49:31,350
them even provide backup witnesses who

2563
01:49:35,959 --> 01:49:33,960
once I call if I'm lucky you they will

2564
01:49:39,620 --> 01:49:35,969
confirm what the first person told me so

2565
01:49:41,390 --> 01:49:39,630
it's just a lot of you know sleuthing I

2566
01:49:43,700 --> 01:49:41,400
don't know what else to call it

2567
01:49:45,350 --> 01:49:43,710
I can't tell you I'm so obsessed with it

2568
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:45,360
other than to say again that

2569
01:49:50,379 --> 01:49:47,730
philosophically I think we're on the

2570
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:50,389
threshold of a new paradigm shift a

2571
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:53,130
paradigm shift and I think you manatee

2572
01:49:57,379 --> 01:49:55,679
within maybe not my lifetime but

2573
01:49:59,720 --> 01:49:57,389
certainly within the next few decades

2574
01:50:01,640 --> 01:49:59,730
it's going to know that aliens have been

2575
01:50:03,770 --> 01:50:01,650
visiting earth and among other

2576
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:03,780
activities they've been monitoring and

2577
01:50:08,540 --> 01:50:05,610
tampering with our nuclear weapons I

2578
01:50:11,390 --> 01:50:08,550
think that self-evidently important I

2579
01:50:14,149 --> 01:50:11,400
think philosophically also the fact that

2580
01:50:15,950 --> 01:50:14,159
we live in a supposed democracy is this

2581
01:50:18,140 --> 01:50:15,960
type of secret something the US

2582
01:50:20,780 --> 01:50:18,150
government deserves to have carte

2583
01:50:22,310 --> 01:50:20,790
blanche a blank check blank check to

2584
01:50:25,070 --> 01:50:22,320
keep us in the dark for

2585
01:50:27,050 --> 01:50:25,080
years about I don't think so so I'm

2586
01:50:29,450 --> 01:50:27,060
doing what little I can do as a single

2587
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:29,460
person to try to crack the door open

2588
01:50:33,110 --> 01:50:31,530
just a little bit let me ask you a fast

2589
01:50:35,570 --> 01:50:33,120
question it occurs to me as you talk

2590
01:50:37,700 --> 01:50:35,580
about this all of the people you

2591
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:37,710
interviewed for the first book for your

2592
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:40,050
original book have you found any

2593
01:50:45,710 --> 01:50:43,170
situations where maybe the evidence they

2594
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:45,720
presented is not as compelling as you

2595
01:50:53,150 --> 01:50:50,610
thought it might be no my head and I've

2596
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:53,160
been revising the book as I said as the

2597
01:50:57,770 --> 01:50:56,010
new sources come on I actually did that

2598
01:51:00,260 --> 01:50:57,780
that vetting process weeding process

2599
01:51:03,110 --> 01:51:00,270
very conservatively and if there were

2600
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:03,120
questions there were a handful of people

2601
01:51:08,510 --> 01:51:06,090
who as I talk to them their story's

2602
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:08,520
changed or whatever those people did not

2603
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:11,010
make the first cut so the people that

2604
01:51:16,690 --> 01:51:13,650
are in the book are in my view quite

2605
01:51:20,810 --> 01:51:16,700
credible and I you know again I am

2606
01:51:23,300 --> 01:51:20,820
typing taped conversations with them and

2607
01:51:25,010 --> 01:51:23,310
the reader can make up his or her own

2608
01:51:27,410 --> 01:51:25,020
mind as to the credibility of the

2609
01:51:29,660 --> 01:51:27,420
sources but I think they all stand up

2610
01:51:31,580 --> 01:51:29,670
quite well okay you said you're revising

2611
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:31,590
the book so the book would get today if

2612
01:51:35,570 --> 01:51:32,970
we buy the book today it's the original

2613
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:35,580
book is it a revised edition or just the

2614
01:51:39,770 --> 01:51:37,770
original it's the original edition I

2615
01:51:42,770 --> 01:51:39,780
have no idea when the second edition

2616
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:42,780
will come out but I just feel that I've

2617
01:51:47,690 --> 01:51:45,570
gotten enough solid lead since the first

2618
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:47,700
one came out in 2008 that ultimately

2619
01:51:53,630 --> 01:51:50,370
I'll have to put out a second edition it

2620
01:51:56,180 --> 01:51:53,640
may not be until 2012 or even later it's

2621
01:51:57,920 --> 01:51:56,190
there's really no end game or timetable

2622
01:52:01,840 --> 01:51:57,930
for me at this point it's not like a

2623
01:52:04,460 --> 01:52:01,850
second book or a sequel then you know

2624
01:52:06,980 --> 01:52:04,470
because I have sold the book only at my

2625
01:52:08,390 --> 01:52:06,990
website with no advertising budget you

2626
01:52:10,580 --> 01:52:08,400
know the number of people who have been

2627
01:52:11,810 --> 01:52:10,590
exposed to it other than the excerpts

2628
01:52:14,210 --> 01:52:11,820
from that that have been posted online

2629
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:14,220
it's a relatively small to the number of

2630
01:52:18,890 --> 01:52:16,050
readers worldwide so I think there's

2631
01:52:21,620 --> 01:52:18,900
still a lot of you know potential for

2632
01:52:24,830 --> 01:52:21,630
audience for the first book and again

2633
01:52:29,090 --> 01:52:24,840
it's it's 600 pages it's 35 years of

2634
01:52:30,940 --> 01:52:29,100
research and you know it's not something

2635
01:52:33,590 --> 01:52:30,950
that I'm going to easily and

2636
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:33,600
significantly realize in the short term

2637
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:36,330
you know these things move slow

2638
01:52:41,630 --> 01:52:39,840
and in fit son starts and you know like

2639
01:52:43,340 --> 01:52:41,640
I said the next book will have

2640
01:52:45,050 --> 01:52:43,350
significant revisions in it but when

2641
01:52:48,290 --> 01:52:45,060
that comes doubt is anyone's guess

2642
01:52:51,140 --> 01:52:48,300
fast question here then looking at the

2643
01:52:56,330 --> 01:52:51,150
book as it is now what would you have

2644
01:52:57,950 --> 01:52:56,340
wanted to change if anything well the

2645
01:53:00,680 --> 01:52:57,960
first thing that comes to mind is the

2646
01:53:03,440 --> 01:53:00,690
fact that when Larry King suddenly asked

2647
01:53:05,210 --> 01:53:03,450
me to appear I had not done a final

2648
01:53:07,460 --> 01:53:05,220
proofread and I had to rush to the

2649
01:53:09,890 --> 01:53:07,470
publisher so there are a number of typos

2650
01:53:14,660 --> 01:53:09,900
and it's so something that silly is that

2651
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:14,670
I and somewhat embarrassed about but you

2652
01:53:21,500 --> 01:53:18,930
know I think one critic has said what

2653
01:53:24,620 --> 01:53:21,510
reviewed the book and said you know I am

2654
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:24,630
here I'm reading variations on the story

2655
01:53:28,610 --> 01:53:27,090
for six hundred pages and I initially

2656
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:28,620
wondered whether that was a good thing

2657
01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:31,650
and then I realized that this subject is

2658
01:53:36,740 --> 01:53:34,290
so important that as a reference guy

2659
01:53:38,930 --> 01:53:36,750
alone this book needs to be written to

2660
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:38,940
verify that that's when I'm not once not

2661
01:53:44,420 --> 01:53:41,250
twice but hundreds of times all over the

2662
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:44,430
US all over the world and the enormity

2663
01:53:49,820 --> 01:53:47,010
of the database in itself is is

2664
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:49,830
persuasive so if you're want to click

2665
01:53:55,220 --> 01:53:52,730
read if you're into writing short blog

2666
01:53:58,220 --> 01:53:55,230
entries this is not the book for you

2667
01:54:00,020 --> 01:53:58,230
know if if on the other hand you want to

2668
01:54:02,390 --> 01:54:00,030
know what your government has been lying

2669
01:54:04,550 --> 01:54:02,400
to you about regarding UFO activity at

2670
01:54:06,650 --> 01:54:04,560
nuclear weapon sites this is really

2671
01:54:08,750 --> 01:54:06,660
frankly the only reference source on the

2672
01:54:12,220 --> 01:54:08,760
planet at this point that covers the

2673
01:54:15,500 --> 01:54:12,230
subject with any kind of comprehensive

2674
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:15,510
overview and detail now over the years

2675
01:54:19,250 --> 01:54:17,370
different governments have released what

2676
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:19,260
they claim to be a fair percentage of

2677
01:54:24,500 --> 01:54:21,930
their UFO related information curse

2678
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:24,510
I guess the releases we've had here go

2679
01:54:29,120 --> 01:54:26,880
back many years to the Project Blue Book

2680
01:54:32,030 --> 01:54:29,130
special reports now have you found

2681
01:54:35,300 --> 01:54:32,040
anything in say the UK or other country

2682
01:54:37,190 --> 01:54:35,310
releases that point out to additional

2683
01:54:39,500 --> 01:54:37,200
evidence you have to explore for this

2684
01:54:42,860 --> 01:54:39,510
kind of research well it's difficult

2685
01:54:46,370 --> 01:54:42,870
enough to access by witnesses you know

2686
01:54:48,710 --> 01:54:46,380
primary sources in the US let alone the

2687
01:54:49,700 --> 01:54:48,720
former Soviet Union or other countries

2688
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:49,710
where I have no

2689
01:54:52,729 --> 01:54:51,930
immediate contacts and/or can't speak

2690
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so I'm limited in that regard I will

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Union that have been highlighted by

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George Knapp and other persons there are

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also what I consider to be credible but

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cursory information relating to activity

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in Pakistan and India which have been

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above their nuclear weapons facilities

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that demand will have to get into more

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Hastings the book is called UFOs and

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nukes and from what we're hearing here

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02:00:35,460 --> 02:00:32,470
it's a work in progress and briefly said

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02:00:39,860 --> 02:00:35,470
before we took the break about a case

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02:00:43,650 --> 02:00:39,870
involving UFOs over a nuclear insulation

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02:00:46,380 --> 02:00:43,660
in these were early earlier this year

2819
02:00:49,350 --> 02:00:46,390
there was a report of an object that was

2820
02:00:53,490 --> 02:00:49,360
cited above the Dimona nuclear plant in

2821
02:00:56,010 --> 02:00:53,500
the Negev desert in Israel and the

2822
02:00:57,480 --> 02:00:56,020
official story was that when jets fired

2823
02:01:00,450 --> 02:00:57,490
upon it it turned out to be a weather

2824
02:01:01,620 --> 02:01:00,460
balloon there's there's some definite

2825
02:01:04,650 --> 02:01:01,630
questions about whether that's

2826
02:01:08,130 --> 02:01:04,660
incredible explanation for what what the

2827
02:01:11,550 --> 02:01:08,140
witnesses were describing I'm aware of a

2828
02:01:13,860 --> 02:01:11,560
single document from declassified

2829
02:01:16,830 --> 02:01:13,870
Australian files again within the last

2830
02:01:19,320 --> 02:01:16,840
few months indicating that there were

2831
02:01:22,470 --> 02:01:19,330
sightings apparently at one of the test

2832
02:01:25,260 --> 02:01:22,480
sites in Australia I think in New South

2833
02:01:27,930 --> 02:01:25,270
Wales where the British were testing

2834
02:01:30,570 --> 02:01:27,940
their atmospheric tests and nuclear

2835
02:01:34,050 --> 02:01:30,580
weapons tests in the 50s and 60s I'm

2836
02:01:36,030 --> 02:01:34,060
aware of reports from French Polynesia

2837
02:01:39,240 --> 02:01:36,040
in nineteen seventies were the French

2838
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:39,250
again a member of the nuclear war seeing

2839
02:01:44,910 --> 02:01:42,250
their weapon and a former weapons

2840
02:01:47,070 --> 02:01:44,920
technician has come forward and talked

2841
02:01:50,040 --> 02:01:47,080
about I think three off the top of my

2842
02:01:52,920 --> 02:01:50,050
head independence ideas he was aware of

2843
02:01:55,620 --> 02:01:52,930
UFOs at either just prior to or just

2844
02:01:58,770 --> 02:01:55,630
following French nuclear weapon tests so

2845
02:02:01,350 --> 02:01:58,780
it is universal or worldwide let's say

2846
02:02:03,420 --> 02:02:01,360
and it's not confined to the superpowers

2847
02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:03,430
the US and the former Soviet Union

2848
02:02:07,380 --> 02:02:05,410
I have Andrews sitting here madly scram

2849
02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:07,390
writing down some questions for me

2850
02:02:13,830 --> 02:02:10,090
oh we should have Andrew just ask them

2851
02:02:16,290 --> 02:02:13,840
himself come on a dude okay here he is

2852
02:02:18,390 --> 02:02:16,300
all right this is a first I think first

2853
02:02:20,400 --> 02:02:18,400
time I've had a guest in my house when

2854
02:02:22,410 --> 02:02:20,410
we're we're taping the show and you take

2855
02:02:24,630 --> 02:02:22,420
it away good morning gentlemen

2856
02:02:26,940 --> 02:02:24,640
very very fascinating topic hats off to

2857
02:02:28,410 --> 02:02:26,950
you mr. Hastings on a wonderful book so

2858
02:02:30,920 --> 02:02:28,420
I was just wondering if there's any

2859
02:02:34,460 --> 02:02:30,930
physical trace evidence of these silos

2860
02:02:37,170 --> 02:02:34,470
sites of entry

2861
02:02:39,870 --> 02:02:37,180
specifically has there been any recorded

2862
02:02:42,570 --> 02:02:39,880
depletion of radioactivity any oddly

2863
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:42,580
changed isotope ratios or perhaps

2864
02:02:46,980 --> 02:02:44,410
getting further out

2865
02:02:48,210 --> 02:02:46,990
funky half-life effects anything that

2866
02:02:50,100 --> 02:02:48,220
would indicate there's been something

2867
02:02:53,610 --> 02:02:50,110
there that's been messing around with

2868
02:02:56,730 --> 02:02:53,620
the nuclear material itself my person's

2869
02:02:59,760 --> 02:02:56,740
my sources whether they be launch

2870
02:03:02,280 --> 02:02:59,770
officers targeting officers or missile

2871
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:02,290
security personnel would simply not have

2872
02:03:07,010 --> 02:03:04,930
the background or the the need to know

2873
02:03:10,950 --> 02:03:07,020
that information they could not tell you

2874
02:03:13,260 --> 02:03:10,960
for example with that kind of

2875
02:03:16,050 --> 02:03:13,270
specificity whether such changes were

2876
02:03:19,410 --> 02:03:16,060
found and again it's a very

2877
02:03:22,380 --> 02:03:19,420
compartmentalized situation I do know

2878
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:22,390
and for example to follow up the people

2879
02:03:26,430 --> 02:03:24,850
who are providing field reports simply

2880
02:03:28,590 --> 02:03:26,440
kick it up the chain of command they

2881
02:03:32,520 --> 02:03:28,600
never are given any feedback they don't

2882
02:03:34,200 --> 02:03:32,530
know what the conclusions were etc when

2883
02:03:37,140 --> 02:03:34,210
check halt and when I interviewed him

2884
02:03:40,950 --> 02:03:37,150
Charles halt deputy base commander at

2885
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:40,960
RAF Bentwaters in 1980 when he went

2886
02:03:45,060 --> 02:03:42,970
public talked to me in two thousand five

2887
02:03:46,410 --> 02:03:45,070
and even had gone public well before

2888
02:03:48,840 --> 02:03:46,420
that and talked about this object

2889
02:03:51,060 --> 02:03:48,850
covering up of the weapons historic area

2890
02:03:54,450 --> 02:03:51,070
sending a laser-like beams of light

2891
02:03:56,700 --> 02:03:54,460
prior to my interview with him in 1994 I

2892
02:03:59,310 --> 02:03:56,710
had interviewed a retired Air Force

2893
02:04:01,460 --> 02:03:59,320
colonel who I can't identify who was

2894
02:04:03,960 --> 02:04:01,470
very high up in the NATO security

2895
02:04:06,750 --> 02:04:03,970
weapons and nuclear weapons security

2896
02:04:09,810 --> 02:04:06,760
apparatus and he told me point blank

2897
02:04:11,370 --> 02:04:09,820
that two tactical nuclear bombs which

2898
02:04:13,610 --> 02:04:11,380
were what were stored at the weapon

2899
02:04:16,050 --> 02:04:13,620
storage area it wasn't missile warheads

2900
02:04:19,140 --> 02:04:16,060
battlefield nukes tactical nukes two of

2901
02:04:21,450 --> 02:04:19,150
these weapons were you moved shortly

2902
02:04:22,980 --> 02:04:21,460
removed rather shortly after the UFO

2903
02:04:25,620 --> 02:04:22,990
incident and shipped to Kirtland Air

2904
02:04:28,710 --> 02:04:25,630
Force Base for analysis but again his

2905
02:04:30,810 --> 02:04:28,720
his protocols involve security not the

2906
02:04:33,870 --> 02:04:30,820
analysis and so he was not directly

2907
02:04:35,700 --> 02:04:33,880
involved in what conclusions were drawn

2908
02:04:37,950 --> 02:04:35,710
upon inspection of these weapons at

2909
02:04:40,470 --> 02:04:37,960
Kirtland so again it's very

2910
02:04:42,210 --> 02:04:40,480
compartmentalized the people on site

2911
02:04:44,210 --> 02:04:42,220
just know that something overt above the

2912
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:44,220
weapons suddenly the weapons didn't work

2913
02:04:47,580 --> 02:04:46,330
you know but the people doing the

2914
02:04:50,100 --> 02:04:47,590
analyses for

2915
02:04:52,950 --> 02:04:50,110
in this case I just mentioned involving

2916
02:04:55,410 --> 02:04:52,960
that waters they have not made

2917
02:04:57,120 --> 02:04:55,420
themselves available to me and so I

2918
02:04:59,129 --> 02:04:57,130
can't answer that question

2919
02:05:01,919 --> 02:04:59,139
well Bentwaters well was unique and now

2920
02:05:04,109 --> 02:05:01,929
you have a landed craft and in you know

2921
02:05:06,479 --> 02:05:04,119
in this particular incident how many

2922
02:05:08,279 --> 02:05:06,489
other actual landings do we have I I

2923
02:05:10,470 --> 02:05:08,289
don't seem to recall any these are

2924
02:05:13,770 --> 02:05:10,480
mostly objects that are hovering or or

2925
02:05:16,490 --> 02:05:13,780
flying by or you know somehow in the

2926
02:05:19,169 --> 02:05:16,500
airspace nearby do we have any real

2927
02:05:22,169 --> 02:05:19,179
landings of these craft inside secure

2928
02:05:26,040 --> 02:05:22,179
facilities we do but they're rare I

2929
02:05:29,250 --> 02:05:26,050
mentioned in my book an incident in 1974

2930
02:05:32,549 --> 02:05:29,260
a former missile launch officer Fe

2931
02:05:34,290 --> 02:05:32,559
Warren in Wyoming described three

2932
02:05:36,899 --> 02:05:34,300
incidents to me that the letters were

2933
02:05:39,060 --> 02:05:36,909
printed in my book in which he described

2934
02:05:42,540 --> 02:05:39,070
in word of a landed object near one of

2935
02:05:44,910 --> 02:05:42,550
the mental facilities but the exception

2936
02:05:47,040 --> 02:05:44,920
to the rule usually these are hovering

2937
02:05:49,799 --> 02:05:47,050
or manin objects Andrew mentioned

2938
02:05:51,899 --> 02:05:49,809
earlier physical evidence radar data are

2939
02:05:54,330 --> 02:05:51,909
physical evidence they are empirical

2940
02:05:57,180 --> 02:05:54,340
they can be quantified unlike witness

2941
02:05:59,250 --> 02:05:57,190
reports anecdotal reports radar data can

2942
02:06:01,649 --> 02:05:59,260
verify the presence of a physical object

2943
02:06:03,260 --> 02:06:01,659
generating a radar we can give you some

2944
02:06:06,200 --> 02:06:03,270
information about the object

2945
02:06:09,209 --> 02:06:06,210
acceleration etc and there are instances

2946
02:06:11,069 --> 02:06:09,219
where we are have picked up objects

2947
02:06:12,689 --> 02:06:11,079
concurrent with sightings of them

2948
02:06:15,149 --> 02:06:12,699
reports of them by the security

2949
02:06:17,850 --> 02:06:15,159
personnel for example of Malmstrom in

2950
02:06:19,649 --> 02:06:17,860
November of 75 so that's physical

2951
02:06:21,330 --> 02:06:19,659
evidence that that's independent

2952
02:06:23,430 --> 02:06:21,340
verification that something went on in

2953
02:06:25,500 --> 02:06:23,440
those cases no no has the Air Force

2954
02:06:27,870 --> 02:06:25,510
released this radar data through fo ia

2955
02:06:31,319 --> 02:06:27,880
how do we know this do we have any paper

2956
02:06:34,319 --> 02:06:31,329
trail relating to these the actual

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returns from radar units well the letter

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that I just referenced which deals with

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UFO activity in November 75 at Malmstrom

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Air Force Base it's comprised of NORAD

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logs North American Aerospace Defense

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Command logs containing radar data about

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well verifying the presence of these

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objects that were hovering and then

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maneuvering around above these weapons

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all of that was initially leaked by the

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Defense Intelligence Agency analyst

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70s copies of that document went to

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among other people researcher Brad

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sparks and researcher Todd cycle once

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they had this leaked document the

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airforce really couldn't deny its

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existence when fo ia requests were filed

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to have that officially released a

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really choppy sort of censored version

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of the original document was released

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both Brad sparks and Todd's echo it's

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been reprinted in my book it's up at my

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website but it's authenticated and it

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comes straight from Air Force foi a

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manager's talking about radar

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confirmations of what at one point were

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objects hovering stationary and then

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moving around just very slowly about

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these missile sites concurrent with

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sighting reports by security personnel

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at the missile sites one of which the

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entry the NORAD log entry says that they

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were describing a quote orange white

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disc shaped object or disc object rather

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and so clearly your flying disc flying

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saucer being reported by these cards

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well how much how our listeners if you

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positive negative we're somewhere in

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between you're right s news at the para

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co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

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we continue with Robert Hastings offer

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of UFOs and nukes I'm Jean Steinberg the

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co-host is Chris O'Brien here on the

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para cast we have another question from

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Chris that we need to explore well this

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is something that you know I just

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thought of and you know I was just at

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the recent MUFON symposium this past

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weekend speaking with Ron Regehr who

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worked for a number of years on the DSP

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project in and of course we know we have

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I think 11 DSP satellites in

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geosynchronous orbit around the planet

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monitoring all sorts of potential

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activity I think initially it was

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obviously tasked to detect ICBMs that

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would be my assumption now have you been

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able to find any sort of cooperative

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evidence from any sort of DSP scenario

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we know that these satellites are very

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effective at monitoring the ground and

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they're looking straight down and we

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have had Inklings of DSP being tied in

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to events that then later are thought to

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be UFO events for instance the 1995

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NORAD phone call to the Rio Grande

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County Sheriff in southern Colorado we

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did get confirmation that the SP you

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know did actually was the instrument

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that actually saw a few Saker sized heat

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bloom do you have any data that supports

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DSP being involved in possibly

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monitoring these objects as they are

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having their way with our secure

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airspace over these facilities the short

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answer is no I have not personally

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accessed any documents that would

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confirm that I have not been approached

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by or stumbled upon persons who have

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that information based on their job

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descriptions I am aware of wrong Icarus

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research I am aware of the incidents

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that you report in the San Luis Valley

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in Colorado involving the incident

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in 95 I suspect that you know the

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agencies involved with these satellites

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have a number of photographs that you

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and I will never see but proving that of

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course is another matter one would think

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that there's enough activity over this

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many decades that these bases that some

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number of people are aware what's going

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on and resources have been devoted to

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trying to monitor these incidents even

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though they he really can't control them

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or predict them probably but I suspect

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there are images out there in pic the

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national photo interpretation Center was

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a component of CIA is a component of CIA

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a belief still by that name in any case

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art Lundell who was the founder of n pic

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and was the person I think was in on the

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briefing of President Kennedy on the

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YouTube photographs of the Russian

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missiles in Cuba quite a heavy hitter

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art Lundell was approached by Todd's

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eckel in the 70s and asked to comment on

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an pics analysis of UFO photographs

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which mr. Jekyll had a number of sources

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or a small number of sources saying

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what's going on on the lanai that was

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going on he denied that there was any

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CIA involved with involvement with photo

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analysis of UFO photographs but this

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rusical had credible sources saying

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otherwise so you can bet that the photos

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are being taken and being analyzed who

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really keeps them and so on is you know

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anyone's guess okay we still have a

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couple of questions from our our very up

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to speed and informed an inquisitive

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listening audience out there and for

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most of the above or all the above there

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are you have answered quite a number of

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questions that have been posed and I do

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want to stress this Robert your your

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appearance here is has really generated

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quite a quite a number of questions and

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a lot of interest one of the things that

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people are interested in is the

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possibility that we're dealing with some

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sort of very down to earth very

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terrestrial technology and Paul b2 b2

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who is a brand new forum signee

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who's our guest from last week oh is

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that okay okay I didn't realize that but

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that's good to know that our guests are

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now getting jumping in with both feet

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into the forum this is excellent he says

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he he's really excited as awesome that

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you'll beyond he will definitely be

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listening but ask him about Nick cook

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who thinks that all kinds of advanced

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antigravity technology of earthly human

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origin has existed for decades and the

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implication being do you think there's

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any possibility that we're dealing with

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a multi-player scenario sure some of

3209
02:17:56,430 --> 02:17:54,640
these objects appear anomalous but is

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there a possibility that we're dealing

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with some sort of earthly technology

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this kind of as a recap of an earlier

3213
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question but is there is there a

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possibility Nick cook who is an aviation

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editor writer whatever the exact title

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is or Jaynes aviation weekly is out of

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his element way he discusses UFOs I've

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seen a couple of television

3219
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documentaries where if he's not actively

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engaging in disinformation and I'm not

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02:18:26,130 --> 02:18:24,100
suggesting that he is he is so naive

3222
02:18:28,110 --> 02:18:26,140
about the public what has really gone on

3223
02:18:29,940 --> 02:18:28,120
be behind the scenes that he doesn't

3224
02:18:31,800 --> 02:18:29,950
even know the right questions to ask and

3225
02:18:35,900 --> 02:18:31,810
there he's being led around by people

3226
02:18:38,910 --> 02:18:35,910
who have probably alternative agendas

3227
02:18:40,950 --> 02:18:38,920
the I would simply point out the fact

3228
02:18:44,220 --> 02:18:40,960
that there's no credible evidence

3229
02:18:46,200 --> 02:18:44,230
despite what he advances in terms of

3230
02:18:47,730 --> 02:18:46,210
scenario that the Nazis had all this

3231
02:18:50,430 --> 02:18:47,740
advanced technology which was

3232
02:18:52,530 --> 02:18:50,440
subsequently confiscated by the US

3233
02:18:55,740 --> 02:18:52,540
government any number of independent

3234
02:18:57,450 --> 02:18:55,750
sources say that while the Nazis were

3235
02:18:59,760 --> 02:18:57,460
developing attempting to develop

3236
02:19:02,300 --> 02:18:59,770
radically designed craft saucer-shaped

3237
02:19:05,940 --> 02:19:02,310
craft and so on there is zero evidence

3238
02:19:08,760 --> 02:19:05,950
from any source living or dead or any

3239
02:19:12,120 --> 02:19:08,770
document that would corroborate that

3240
02:19:14,130 --> 02:19:12,130
you know this turned into UFOs or flying

3241
02:19:17,640 --> 02:19:14,140
saucers in the late forties and early

3242
02:19:21,690 --> 02:19:17,650
fifties on the you know and on the

3243
02:19:24,630 --> 02:19:21,700
contrary you have a very clear and

3244
02:19:27,180 --> 02:19:24,640
well-documented situation for example in

3245
02:19:29,520 --> 02:19:27,190
in July of 1952 the very famous

3246
02:19:30,240 --> 02:19:29,530
Washington overflights where both

3247
02:19:32,849 --> 02:19:30,250
civilian

3248
02:19:35,519 --> 02:19:32,859
radar were picking up objects one of

3249
02:19:38,519 --> 02:19:35,529
them flying 7,000 miles per hour our

3250
02:19:40,589 --> 02:19:38,529
fastest jet was roughly 700 miles per

3251
02:19:42,990 --> 02:19:40,599
hour these objects were tracked by

3252
02:19:44,790 --> 02:19:43,000
mobile area multiple radar stations on

3253
02:19:47,099 --> 02:19:44,800
the ground a while around Washington

3254
02:19:49,070 --> 02:19:47,109
doing right angle turns and I needed

3255
02:19:51,510 --> 02:19:49,080
returns at high rates of speed or

3256
02:19:54,420 --> 02:19:51,520
complete reversals of flight without a

3257
02:19:57,870 --> 02:19:54,430
turn that is a 180 degree reversal of

3258
02:19:59,940 --> 02:19:57,880
flight in my book I argue that if

3259
02:20:02,940 --> 02:19:59,950
someone had that technology whether it

3260
02:20:07,530 --> 02:20:02,950
was us or the Russians or Nazis living

3261
02:20:09,840 --> 02:20:07,540
in Antarctica or whatever ask why those

3262
02:20:12,660 --> 02:20:09,850
Nazis in Antarctica my grandniece Melvin

3263
02:20:16,740 --> 02:20:12,670
long you know if we had just to name one

3264
02:20:18,750 --> 02:20:16,750
racer case up to doing that in 1952 why

3265
02:20:21,320 --> 02:20:18,760
would the or the Russians or any other

3266
02:20:24,150 --> 02:20:21,330
country on earth spent the last 60 years

3267
02:20:26,880 --> 02:20:24,160
developing ever more sophisticated

3268
02:20:28,349 --> 02:20:26,890
fixed-wing aircraft we still can't do

3269
02:20:31,860 --> 02:20:28,359
all of those things that were tracked on

3270
02:20:34,290 --> 02:20:31,870
radar in 1952 why would we not you know

3271
02:20:36,360 --> 02:20:34,300
aside from just wasting tons and tons of

3272
02:20:39,330 --> 02:20:36,370
money developing fixed-wing aircraft

3273
02:20:40,880 --> 02:20:39,340
well we already had UFOs which makes no

3274
02:20:43,019 --> 02:20:40,890
sense whatsoever

3275
02:20:46,440 --> 02:20:43,029
getting back to finish the thought

3276
02:20:49,679 --> 02:20:46,450
however you know if some country on

3277
02:20:51,870 --> 02:20:49,689
earth had a craft in July 52 that could

3278
02:20:54,870 --> 02:20:51,880
fly 7,000 miles per hour and do a

3279
02:20:57,420 --> 02:20:54,880
right-angle turn with no damage etc not

3280
02:20:59,790 --> 02:20:57,430
only would we or the Russians not have

3281
02:21:01,740 --> 02:20:59,800
wasted the last half-century developing

3282
02:21:05,190 --> 02:21:01,750
a fixed-wing aircraft which are to this

3283
02:21:06,900 --> 02:21:05,200
day far inferior to those craft but if

3284
02:21:09,269 --> 02:21:06,910
we or the Russians had such

3285
02:21:10,559 --> 02:21:09,279
sophisticated aircraft in the course of

3286
02:21:12,150 --> 02:21:10,569
the Cold War and all these

3287
02:21:14,400 --> 02:21:12,160
confrontations where we were constantly

3288
02:21:16,530 --> 02:21:14,410
rattling sabers at one another

3289
02:21:18,929 --> 02:21:16,540
wouldn't we or the Russians have

3290
02:21:20,849 --> 02:21:18,939
unveiled that technology and said look

3291
02:21:23,010 --> 02:21:20,859
if you don't mind your manners America

3292
02:21:25,849 --> 02:21:23,020
or if you the Soviet Union don't behave

3293
02:21:29,940 --> 02:21:25,859
we're gonna unleash our UFO force on you

3294
02:21:32,519 --> 02:21:29,950
if these objects can fly 7,000 miles per

3295
02:21:34,860 --> 02:21:32,529
hour you know why would we not have

3296
02:21:37,110 --> 02:21:34,870
launched a first strike or what why

3297
02:21:39,479 --> 02:21:37,120
would this oh do not have a first strike

3298
02:21:41,400 --> 02:21:39,489
by putting bombs or missiles on one of

3299
02:21:44,250 --> 02:21:41,410
these UFOs and just taking out its

3300
02:21:46,620 --> 02:21:44,260
adversary rather than missing Messing

3301
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Baumer technology for many years and

3302
02:21:51,240 --> 02:21:49,360
then later missiles that again take far

3303
02:21:53,910 --> 02:21:51,250
longer to you know really get the job

3304
02:21:57,690 --> 02:21:53,920
done so there's this any number of

3305
02:22:00,600 --> 02:21:57,700
reasons why the scenario that UFOs are

3306
02:22:03,810 --> 02:22:00,610
advanced terrestrial craft just does not

3307
02:22:06,210 --> 02:22:03,820
hold up under strict analysis in my view

3308
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more questions left well yeah I have one

3398
02:27:19,179 --> 02:27:16,010
Robert you recently contacted me was

3399
02:27:22,210 --> 02:27:19,189
some an interesting bit of news you were

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02:27:23,710 --> 02:27:22,220
inquiring about a certain well you're

3401
02:27:25,480 --> 02:27:23,720
asking questions about the San Luis

3402
02:27:28,840 --> 02:27:25,490
Valley because evidently you're planning

3403
02:27:30,010 --> 02:27:28,850
on moving to the San Luis Valley you

3404
02:27:32,830 --> 02:27:30,020
want to talk about that a little bit

3405
02:27:35,500 --> 02:27:32,840
here before the show ends or sure I'm

3406
02:27:37,960 --> 02:27:35,510
currently living in Taos New Mexico and

3407
02:27:40,179 --> 02:27:37,970
I bought some property in the San Luis

3408
02:27:42,820 --> 02:27:40,189
Valley and not going to be more specific

3409
02:27:45,750 --> 02:27:42,830
than that and I'm building a small house

3410
02:27:48,219 --> 02:27:45,760
a casita and I hope to be in by November

3411
02:27:50,110 --> 02:27:48,229
people have said you know you're aware

3412
02:27:52,240 --> 02:27:50,120
of all the paranormal activity up there

3413
02:27:55,000 --> 02:27:52,250
that's certainly the reason you moved up

3414
02:27:58,480 --> 02:27:55,010
there actually I moved on because this

3415
02:28:00,840 --> 02:27:58,490
extraordinarily beautiful the family of

3416
02:28:03,429 --> 02:28:00,850
the Sangre de Cristo Mountains

3417
02:28:05,440 --> 02:28:03,439
snow-capped mountain range everywhere

3418
02:28:08,080 --> 02:28:05,450
when I step outside my new house its

3419
02:28:10,120 --> 02:28:08,090
FINA Kleeb utiful it has dark skies I

3420
02:28:12,400 --> 02:28:10,130
can see the stars at night but I'm also

3421
02:28:15,280 --> 02:28:12,410
hoping to see strange objects in the sky

3422
02:28:17,980 --> 02:28:15,290
from time to time but that really was

3423
02:28:20,950 --> 02:28:17,990
not the primary reason I thought up

3424
02:28:23,410 --> 02:28:20,960
there what happens if I get a sighting

3425
02:28:25,630 --> 02:28:23,420
from the part of the valley that you're

3426
02:28:27,760 --> 02:28:25,640
moving to and building a house what

3427
02:28:29,590 --> 02:28:27,770
would you be up for a late-night phone

3428
02:28:31,660 --> 02:28:29,600
call maybe to run out it's some

3429
02:28:33,400 --> 02:28:31,670
photographic equipment because it would

3430
02:28:35,560 --> 02:28:33,410
be great to have somebody as motivated

3431
02:28:37,420 --> 02:28:35,570
and up to speed as you as part of the

3432
02:28:39,070 --> 02:28:37,430
Sky Watch Network there I'd really

3433
02:28:41,140 --> 02:28:39,080
appreciate it if I could rely on you to

3434
02:28:43,210 --> 02:28:41,150
possibly help corroborate some sighting

3435
02:28:44,469 --> 02:28:43,220
reports that I get from time to time it

3436
02:28:44,860 --> 02:28:44,479
would be great to have you there that's

3437
02:28:46,929 --> 02:28:44,870
for sure

3438
02:28:49,240 --> 02:28:46,939
I'm happy to do that I'm a chronic

3439
02:28:51,700 --> 02:28:49,250
insomniac I'm up half the night most

3440
02:28:53,740 --> 02:28:51,710
nights anyway so you probably wouldn't

3441
02:28:55,270 --> 02:28:53,750
even wake me up if you called you know

3442
02:28:59,010 --> 02:28:55,280
maybe we could we're talking about

3443
02:29:01,370 --> 02:28:59,020
possibly having a unpiloted drone

3444
02:29:03,679 --> 02:29:01,380
scenario we met and

3445
02:29:05,090 --> 02:29:03,689
and a very interesting guy he was an ex

3446
02:29:06,849 --> 02:29:05,100
Lawrence Livermore scientist who's

3447
02:29:10,160 --> 02:29:06,859
designing some pretty sophisticated

3448
02:29:12,950 --> 02:29:10,170
remotely piloted helicopter technology

3449
02:29:15,139 --> 02:29:12,960
that has quite a payload capacity up to

3450
02:29:18,139 --> 02:29:15,149
40 pounds this one the first initial

3451
02:29:19,820 --> 02:29:18,149
drone and now we've been kind of

3452
02:29:22,010 --> 02:29:19,830
thinking about a really good place to

3453
02:29:24,139 --> 02:29:22,020
park that thing so maybe we could talk

3454
02:29:26,120 --> 02:29:24,149
later on down the road you know of

3455
02:29:29,030 --> 02:29:26,130
course Andrew here wants to wants to

3456
02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:29,040
really really get going on kind of

3457
02:29:32,450 --> 02:29:31,050
maximizing our potential there and it

3458
02:29:35,510 --> 02:29:32,460
would be great to have you on board as

3459
02:29:37,790 --> 02:29:35,520
as an unofficial team member well I'm

3460
02:29:41,300 --> 02:29:37,800
happy to accommodate you will discuss

3461
02:29:43,639 --> 02:29:41,310
the with the particulars I have seen I

3462
02:29:46,389 --> 02:29:43,649
think I'm up to eight unidentified

3463
02:29:49,070 --> 02:29:46,399
objects over about a 35 year period

3464
02:29:52,130 --> 02:29:49,080
objects that clearly were not aircraft

3465
02:29:54,830 --> 02:29:52,140
but the duration of the sighting and the

3466
02:29:59,540 --> 02:29:54,840
distances in law really precluded any

3467
02:30:01,010 --> 02:29:59,550
sort of you know unequivocal assessment

3468
02:30:02,899 --> 02:30:01,020
of what I was looking at but I okay

3469
02:30:04,910 --> 02:30:02,909
these were sightings and this is a key

3470
02:30:08,510 --> 02:30:04,920
point we haven't gone into before right

3471
02:30:11,359 --> 02:30:08,520
sure when did you see your first UFO in

3472
02:30:13,880 --> 02:30:11,369
April of 66 I saw an object that could

3473
02:30:16,969 --> 02:30:13,890
be called a green fireball and in my

3474
02:30:18,710 --> 02:30:16,979
book I have a whole chapter based on dan

3475
02:30:20,719 --> 02:30:18,720
Wilson's research into the green

3476
02:30:23,149 --> 02:30:20,729
fireball phenomenon it turns out these

3477
02:30:26,139 --> 02:30:23,159
objects were being reported over Los

3478
02:30:29,450 --> 02:30:26,149
Alamos Sandia Labs over the killing

3479
02:30:31,969 --> 02:30:29,460
weapons storage area in Texas back in

3480
02:30:34,340 --> 02:30:31,979
the 40s and 50s some of the observers

3481
02:30:36,050 --> 02:30:34,350
observed maneuvers quite clearly they

3482
02:30:38,840 --> 02:30:36,060
were not natural phenomena they were

3483
02:30:40,550 --> 02:30:38,850
clustered around northern New Mexico and

3484
02:30:42,769 --> 02:30:40,560
West Texas where these nuclear

3485
02:30:45,050 --> 02:30:42,779
facilities were they did not distribute

3486
02:30:47,479 --> 02:30:45,060
themselves sightings were not uniformly

3487
02:30:50,090 --> 02:30:47,489
distributed or randomly around the world

3488
02:30:52,599 --> 02:30:50,100
so quite clearly they were objects of

3489
02:30:56,899 --> 02:30:52,609
some kind under intelligent control

3490
02:30:58,670 --> 02:30:56,909
captain every Rubel talks about a

3491
02:31:00,229 --> 02:30:58,680
discussion that will salla most of the

3492
02:31:02,090 --> 02:31:00,239
green fireballs with some nuclear

3493
02:31:04,160 --> 02:31:02,100
scientists who concluded they were

3494
02:31:08,269 --> 02:31:04,170
probably alien craft of some kind so I

3495
02:31:09,920 --> 02:31:08,279
saw one of those in 66 if it was a

3496
02:31:11,990 --> 02:31:09,930
meteor it sure didn't look like any

3497
02:31:12,900 --> 02:31:12,000
other meteor that I've seen before since

3498
02:31:14,280 --> 02:31:12,910
I might ask

3499
02:31:16,530 --> 02:31:14,290
one thing here maybe just address one

3500
02:31:19,020 --> 02:31:16,540
point you're saying Roop helped included

3501
02:31:20,970 --> 02:31:19,030
they were alien because never concluded

3502
02:31:24,060 --> 02:31:20,980
that his books he always said maybe they

3503
02:31:26,730 --> 02:31:24,070
are and then he recanted on that in the

3504
02:31:30,060 --> 02:31:26,740
revised version what I said or meant to

3505
02:31:32,850 --> 02:31:30,070
say was that in his book he describes in

3506
02:31:35,730 --> 02:31:32,860
fact I've reprinted a good page or two

3507
02:31:38,011 --> 02:31:35,740
of directly from his book where he's at

3508
02:31:40,110 --> 02:31:38,021
Los Alamos discussing the subject of the

3509
02:31:42,390 --> 02:31:40,120
green fireballs with nuclear scientists

3510
02:31:45,091 --> 02:31:42,400
working at Los Alamos and a number of

3511
02:31:48,290 --> 02:31:45,101
them speculated that these were alien

3512
02:31:51,660 --> 02:31:48,300
around monitoring devices of some kind

3513
02:31:53,881 --> 02:31:51,670
and he groomed that group felt makes a

3514
02:31:56,160 --> 02:31:53,891
comment you know the scientific

3515
02:31:57,990 --> 02:31:56,170
community as a whole had they known

3516
02:31:59,970 --> 02:31:58,000
these conversations were going on and

3517
02:32:01,950 --> 02:31:59,980
that these top-flight nuclear scientists

3518
02:32:04,080 --> 02:32:01,960
were talking about alien spacecraft

3519
02:32:06,390 --> 02:32:04,090
visiting Los Alamos you know they would

3520
02:32:09,841 --> 02:32:06,400
have been you know horrified but he

3521
02:32:12,631 --> 02:32:09,851
reported in 1956 in his book the report

3522
02:32:14,910 --> 02:32:12,641
on unidentified flying objects that he

3523
02:32:16,460 --> 02:32:14,920
had conversations with the scientists

3524
02:32:19,220 --> 02:32:16,470
some of whom were green fireball

3525
02:32:22,230 --> 02:32:19,230
sighting witnesses who said we're

3526
02:32:23,700 --> 02:32:22,240
offering the the idea a number of them

3527
02:32:27,330 --> 02:32:23,710
apparently that these were probably

3528
02:32:29,551 --> 02:32:27,340
probes of some kind launched by an alien

3529
02:32:32,070 --> 02:32:29,561
spacecraft in orbit around Earth and

3530
02:32:34,530 --> 02:32:32,080
repelled goes into great detail about

3531
02:32:35,910 --> 02:32:34,540
the discussion that took place so what

3532
02:32:39,480 --> 02:32:35,920
do you think here you think maybe the

3533
02:32:41,310 --> 02:32:39,490
UFOs have a larger base on earth or

3534
02:32:44,730 --> 02:32:41,320
maybe on the back side of the moon as is

3535
02:32:47,670 --> 02:32:44,740
suggested by some who knows I think you

3536
02:32:51,000 --> 02:32:47,680
know and totally over decades now there

3537
02:32:53,160 --> 02:32:51,010
do seem to be suggestions of objects in

3538
02:32:54,810 --> 02:32:53,170
remote areas seemingly coming out of

3539
02:32:56,750 --> 02:32:54,820
mountains or going into mountains

3540
02:32:59,640 --> 02:32:56,760
whether that's an illusion or

3541
02:33:01,670 --> 02:32:59,650
suggestions of you know suggests some

3542
02:33:04,470 --> 02:33:01,680
sort of underground facility who knows

3543
02:33:06,390 --> 02:33:04,480
there are many many reports of objects

3544
02:33:06,690 --> 02:33:06,400
popping out of the water diving into the

3545
02:33:09,150 --> 02:33:06,700
water

3546
02:33:13,560 --> 02:33:09,160
do they have bases under the oceans who

3547
02:33:15,720 --> 02:33:13,570
knows probably but you know the while

3548
02:33:17,790 --> 02:33:15,730
we're talking about this all of these

3549
02:33:20,690 --> 02:33:17,800
reports over the last 20 years of the

3550
02:33:24,060 --> 02:33:20,700
Dulce base in northern New Mexico are

3551
02:33:25,500 --> 02:33:24,070
disinformation and if one cares to look

3552
02:33:26,760 --> 02:33:25,510
at the history of those stories and

3553
02:33:29,849 --> 02:33:26,770
where they came from

3554
02:33:32,010 --> 02:33:29,859
Richard Doty a former OSI agent who has

3555
02:33:34,439 --> 02:33:32,020
admitted to forging documents and

3556
02:33:36,960 --> 02:33:34,449
misleading Linda Mouton how and many

3557
02:33:39,510 --> 02:33:36,970
others scientist named Paul bennewitz

3558
02:33:41,460 --> 02:33:39,520
would alter to focus information and

3559
02:33:44,279 --> 02:33:41,470
forge documents in which he presented

3560
02:33:47,309 --> 02:33:44,289
the underground alien base at dulce as a

3561
02:33:49,620 --> 02:33:47,319
topic of discussion you know that base

3562
02:33:51,330 --> 02:33:49,630
the stories about that base in my view

3563
02:33:53,729 --> 02:33:51,340
are thoroughly discredited and I

3564
02:33:56,040 --> 02:33:53,739
personally investigated and was involved

3565
02:33:59,460 --> 02:33:56,050
in exposing Richard Doty twenty

3566
02:34:01,710 --> 02:33:59,470
something years ago actually asked

3567
02:34:03,990 --> 02:34:01,720
Richard Doty to come on the show and

3568
02:34:06,269 --> 02:34:04,000
explain himself and he keeps chickening

3569
02:34:10,229 --> 02:34:06,279
out he's afraid of being asked the tough

3570
02:34:12,000 --> 02:34:10,239
questions I guess yeah well let's see I

3571
02:34:14,160 --> 02:34:12,010
can't remember where this article is I

3572
02:34:16,380 --> 02:34:14,170
wrote I wrote an article two years well

3573
02:34:19,219 --> 02:34:16,390
I wrote one in 1989 in which I first

3574
02:34:21,240 --> 02:34:19,229
exposed Richard Doty as a dis

3575
02:34:24,479 --> 02:34:21,250
informative at Kirtland Air Force Base

3576
02:34:26,700 --> 02:34:24,489
OSI who was feeding bogus information to

3577
02:34:28,819 --> 02:34:26,710
Linda Howe Bill Moore and other

3578
02:34:33,479 --> 02:34:28,829
individuals this Paul bennewitz

3579
02:34:36,569 --> 02:34:33,489
basically after denying that that was

3580
02:34:38,670 --> 02:34:36,579
true within months Bill Moore held an

3581
02:34:41,250 --> 02:34:38,680
infinite infamous game an infamous

3582
02:34:42,719 --> 02:34:41,260
presentation at the MUFON convention in

3583
02:34:45,450 --> 02:34:42,729
Las Vegas this would have been the

3584
02:34:47,309 --> 02:34:45,460
summer of 89 in which he admitted about

3585
02:34:49,019 --> 02:34:47,319
90% of the things that I had written

3586
02:34:51,689 --> 02:34:49,029
about that in fact there was

3587
02:34:55,859 --> 02:34:51,699
disinformation schemes going on Linda

3588
02:34:58,229 --> 02:34:55,869
Howe was suckered etc and many years

3589
02:35:00,660 --> 02:34:58,239
later Doty finally in dribs and drabs

3590
02:35:04,559 --> 02:35:00,670
has confirmed that he had forged

3591
02:35:06,300 --> 02:35:04,569
documents to touch krytus camouflage the

3592
02:35:08,729 --> 02:35:06,310
Roswell story and any number of other

3593
02:35:11,670 --> 02:35:08,739
subjects all of that is common knowledge

3594
02:35:15,719 --> 02:35:11,680
I wrote a follow-up article I think in

3595
02:35:18,229 --> 02:35:15,729
2009 called Operation bird droppings one

3596
02:35:20,429 --> 02:35:18,239
can google that operation for

3597
02:35:22,679 --> 02:35:20,439
everything you know and these these

3598
02:35:24,809 --> 02:35:22,689
sources of this supposedly high-powered

3599
02:35:28,380 --> 02:35:24,819
inside UFO information were called the

3600
02:35:30,359 --> 02:35:28,390
aviary another were spoken and you know

3601
02:35:33,899 --> 02:35:30,369
all condor and all these other people

3602
02:35:35,080 --> 02:35:33,909
but no one named Buzzard well Dodi was

3603
02:35:38,469 --> 02:35:35,090
either Buzzard or

3604
02:35:40,810 --> 02:35:38,479
I'm not sure which I forget that you

3605
02:35:42,429 --> 02:35:40,820
know you get six different stories from

3606
02:35:44,920 --> 02:35:42,439
six different people who are involved in

3607
02:35:48,849 --> 02:35:44,930
all that the information I was getting

3608
02:35:51,760 --> 02:35:48,859
early on was that he was Falcon and when

3609
02:35:53,770 --> 02:35:51,770
I exposed him basically as such and what

3610
02:35:56,469 --> 02:35:53,780
he was up to the shenanigans he was up

3611
02:35:58,389 --> 02:35:56,479
to then there was a lot of backtracking

3612
02:36:00,250 --> 02:35:58,399
oh he wasn't really stuck and he was

3613
02:36:01,990 --> 02:36:00,260
covering for another guy who was Falcon

3614
02:36:03,429 --> 02:36:02,000
it just I don't want gain we're just

3615
02:36:05,590 --> 02:36:03,439
about out of time I'll tell you what

3616
02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:05,600
where do we find more of your

3617
02:36:13,900 --> 02:36:10,010
information mmm my website is UFO

3618
02:36:15,880 --> 02:36:13,910
Hastings dot-com it's got several

3619
02:36:18,760 --> 02:36:15,890
articles there it's got my background

3620
02:36:21,040 --> 02:36:18,770
it's got an overview of the UFO nooks

3621
02:36:23,400 --> 02:36:21,050
connection it's got a full length video

3622
02:36:26,050 --> 02:36:23,410
of the press conference held in

3623
02:36:28,060 --> 02:36:26,060
September 2010 in Washington

3624
02:36:30,340 --> 02:36:28,070
CNN stream live you can see the full

3625
02:36:33,310 --> 02:36:30,350
length video at my website and then of

3626
02:36:36,219 --> 02:36:33,320
course if anyone's interested in 600

3627
02:36:37,990 --> 02:36:36,229
pages of this history chapter and verse

3628
02:36:40,030 --> 02:36:38,000
that you can purchase my book there as

3629
02:36:42,400 --> 02:36:40,040
well Robert Hastings thank you for

3630
02:36:44,349 --> 02:36:42,410
joining us this week on the para cast

3631
02:36:47,050 --> 02:36:44,359
thank you for having me on I certainly

3632
02:36:49,179 --> 02:36:47,060
appreciate this opportunity to present

3633
02:36:51,730 --> 02:36:49,189
this information it's quite clearly

3634
02:36:54,460 --> 02:36:51,740
important forget what I say about it

3635
02:36:56,980 --> 02:36:54,470
just read the testimony of my sources

3636
02:37:10,540 --> 02:36:56,990
and draw your own conclusions about the

3637
02:37:17,090 --> 02:37:14,060
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3638
02:37:19,930 --> 02:37:17,100
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3639
02:37:23,690 --> 02:37:19,940
presentation of making the impossible